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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 9, 2023

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Put frankly, nobody really cares about this man. Nobody really cares about the median CAF victims: poor people, strippers, general lower-class coded individuals. Nobody really cares about people jailed on bogus charges, put through the justice wringer for ill-conceived reason, or shot to death by trigger-happy psychopaths. It's the just world fallacy in full effect: they probably had it coming anyway.

I totally believe you're right about this, but it still frustrates me. Even from a purely selfish perspective, this should matter to people. Holding people in prison or putting them through the justice system for stupid reasons is a waste of my tax money. Ruining people's lives by sending them to prison for no good reason means they're likely not going to be contributing to the economy (or, worse, become criminals and contribute negatively). We do this at a really large scale in the US, so this isn't exactly a small effect.

The blackpilling thing, to me, is that I don't think people are that selfish. They aren't without empathy. They don't have zero care for justice. I think it's the aforementioned just world fallacy: they really think they have it coming. If they didn't have it coming, why, the police might be wrong. The law might be wrong. Society may be doing wrong by them. Everything may be wrong. The lower classes may in fact not deserve their fate.

It's a lot to take in and figure out and, genuinely, I don't think normal people are really in a mood to consider if maybe the whole criminal justice system is that big of a dumpster fire. Better to insist everything is fine, everyone falling afoul of it is a Bad Person, and to try your hardest to ignore all the signs it ain't so.

To put it bluntly, very few of the people suffering from police misconduct are model citizens.

I know. I still don't want them to be at the justice system's cruel mercies.

Sounds to me like you are falling for the unjust world fallacy. The mistaken belief that every misfortune is the result of undeserved oppression and victimization.

I don’t see why only one side should get to unilaterally create a “fallacy” to diagnose their opposition with.

Plenty of people think that ruining life for strippers, drug addicts, petty criminals, and the homeless so that they’ll go do their thing somewhere else is a good use of their tax dollars.

Honestly pretty hard to think of a better one

If you want someone's life ruined, surely you'd prefer them dead? I get consistently down-voted for my 'kill all the drug dealers' policy proposal. But surely that's preferable to just ruining the lives of drug addicts, petty criminals and homeless. What if they don't do their thing somewhere else? What if their lives are already ruined? What if they strike back against you?

If we're trying to make things hard for people, why not just bite the bullet and kill?

The problem is that these kinds of policies A) don’t work very well and B) wind up pushing terrible people into the same neighborhoods which turn from ‘poor’ to ‘festering shitholes of crime depending economically on drug and human trafficking, which then export maladaptive mores to broader society’.

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