site banner

Culture War Roundup for the week of September 1, 2025

This weekly roundup thread is intended for all culture war posts. 'Culture war' is vaguely defined, but it basically means controversial issues that fall along set tribal lines. Arguments over culture war issues generate a lot of heat and little light, and few deeply entrenched people ever change their minds. This thread is for voicing opinions and analyzing the state of the discussion while trying to optimize for light over heat.

Optimistically, we think that engaging with people you disagree with is worth your time, and so is being nice! Pessimistically, there are many dynamics that can lead discussions on Culture War topics to become unproductive. There's a human tendency to divide along tribal lines, praising your ingroup and vilifying your outgroup - and if you think you find it easy to criticize your ingroup, then it may be that your outgroup is not who you think it is. Extremists with opposing positions can feed off each other, highlighting each other's worst points to justify their own angry rhetoric, which becomes in turn a new example of bad behavior for the other side to highlight.

We would like to avoid these negative dynamics. Accordingly, we ask that you do not use this thread for waging the Culture War. Examples of waging the Culture War:

  • Shaming.

  • Attempting to 'build consensus' or enforce ideological conformity.

  • Making sweeping generalizations to vilify a group you dislike.

  • Recruiting for a cause.

  • Posting links that could be summarized as 'Boo outgroup!' Basically, if your content is 'Can you believe what Those People did this week?' then you should either refrain from posting, or do some very patient work to contextualize and/or steel-man the relevant viewpoint.

In general, you should argue to understand, not to win. This thread is not territory to be claimed by one group or another; indeed, the aim is to have many different viewpoints represented here. Thus, we also ask that you follow some guidelines:

  • Speak plainly. Avoid sarcasm and mockery. When disagreeing with someone, state your objections explicitly.

  • Be as precise and charitable as you can. Don't paraphrase unflatteringly.

  • Don't imply that someone said something they did not say, even if you think it follows from what they said.

  • Write like everyone is reading and you want them to be included in the discussion.

On an ad hoc basis, the mods will try to compile a list of the best posts/comments from the previous week, posted in Quality Contribution threads and archived at /r/TheThread. You may nominate a comment for this list by clicking on 'report' at the bottom of the post and typing 'Actually a quality contribution' as the report reason.

5
Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Childhood nutrition can have strong affects on adult height.

In the 19th century blacks were on average about an inch shorter in height than whites. It's not a thing these days since anti-poverty programs basically closed the gap for the 1930 birth cohort.

But in the 1950s a 40 year old American grew up with smaller black people. They didn't realize that it was nutritional instead of genetic.

It was also an issue for peasants in Europe, not sure on the exact years. European aristocrats visiting the US were shocked to discover that the average man was the same height they were.

21st century American blacks are on average over an inch shorter than non-hispanic American whites

Blacks are still slightly shorter than whites.

I'm currently listening to George Patton's war memoirs on audible, so far he's gone through North Africa and Siciliy and each place he goes he judges the peasants to be even worse than the last bunch. After judging the Sicilians to be even worse and more ignorant than the Moroccans, he travels to Egypt and says:

The Egyptian peasant, who abounds in large numbers, is distinctly lower than the Sicilian, whom I had previously considered at the bottom of the human curve.

The context you're offering is very much accurate, but it goes to the general problem: we always assume that traits displayed today are genetic or inherent, but we've turned out to be wrong about which traits inhere to which groups in which quantities nearly endlessly as contexts and conditions change.