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PaperclipPerfector  1mo ago (text post)   2742 thread views

Friday Fun Thread for September 12, 2025

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I want to do a simple socioeconomic Mottizen survey: what class are you and why do you think that?

Culturally middle class, economically upper middle class.

My wife is solidly, multigenerationally, UMC and I can feel the difference.

What sort of differences do you feel?

It's a million small things. Everyday values, behaviours, interests, language used, food eaten, what is high/low status etc. It's in every aspect of their lives, just like my culture is in every aspect of my life.

It is hard to sum up because it's all pervasive and at the same time not that big of a difference. The middle class and the upper middle class are not worlds apart after all.

A lot of it comes down to being less confrontational and more dignified. Also, they spend more time and effort on social signaling and maintaining a social network, outside of closer friends.

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