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DHS Secretary Homan was alleged to have been caught on video taking a bribe from undercover FBI agents. In the fog of
warpolitics, who knows if this is actually true, maybe eventually we'll see the video and can make an informed judgment.But forgetting whether or not it happened, the thing that always gets me on these cases is the paltry sums involved: $50K. By comparison, my landscaper drives an F150 Raptor, an $80K truck. Hard to imagine that he's driving around in something more expensive than a Cabinet member in the US government.
That got me into a rabbit hole of bribery cases across the political spectrum
The lack of ambition here is starling. I've heard cases of embezzlement in the billions (e.g. 1MDB) or at least the mid-millions.
Not sure I have an actual point here, but I guess it's that if someone is going to bribe you, insist on a real sum.
In PPP terms, are these greater or lower amounts than typical bribery schedules in countries where that's normal?
Bribery is a business, and setting prices is done by the market. It stands to reason that a smaller market leads to cheaper bribes for supply and demand reasons(after all, we can expect that upwards outliers just get rejected- presumably, bribery in eg Russia is done at the highest price the market will bear, so exceeding the market clearing price with bribery demands just leads to getting nothing at all).
There’s no way there’s enough information for this to be clearing.
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