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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/democrats-want-reach-young-male-voters-how-get-them-is-up-debate-2025-10-06/
Reports like these have been an almost weekly occurrence all year. To state the obvious that none of these articles include: The Democratic Party and liberals engage in bulverism and bulverism alienates people. But is the problem purely liberals alienating young men or are conservatives also successfully courting them?
I'm not seeing it. If the democrats could field another Obama the Republicans would get annihilated. If it wasn't for huge blunders like Harris and Hillary, and Trump being a lightning in a bottle candidate.
When push comes to shove, most young people in the western world are loaded up with liberal/leftist/progressive priors. You just need to properly activate them. To that extent Trump doesn't even represent a real world right wing movement. It's just soft liberalism with a lot of bloviating.
To top it all off, the only youth demographic that isn't completely in the tank for democrats is shrinking. Ethnic replacement was a winning strategy and the only the Democrats need to do is wait.
Harris was a blunder? I distinctly remember posters here telling me how great she is. How she broght on the vibe shift, how optimistic everyone is thanks to her, how all the kids are sending each other coconut memes. LANDSLIDE ENERGY!
2016 was a while back, but the only people I recall dooming about Hillary were the Bernie Bros.
They can't. Even if Obama could run for a third term he would just end up becomming as insufferable as Harris. This is what the Blue Tribe is now.
I found it! Perhaps the only comment on the entire Motte that is unequivocably pro-Harris. Oh wait, I found one more, and a third that might count.
I suppose the plural is valid, but I expected a lot more than that when I skimmed through the entirety of those two threads.
Even Naraburns thought she would win IIRC, and I remember Netstack's top level comment how the vibe shift even affected his parents. I think there were two posts about kids sending memes (I didn't make thisbshit up, dude), but one of them was deleted shortly after it was posted. I think Netstack can confirm it's existence, because I asked him about it once (mods can see deleted posts), though I guess if it was deleted ao quickly, it couls have been some astroturf op.
I'll look for this stuff later (am on mobile now), but it's insane we're pretending that there wasn't a fever of pro-Kamala sentiment.
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And that wasn't about how great she is. It's about how great other people find her (and yes, how she brought the vibe shift). There were a couple real examples downthread from that, but the overall sentiment in that thread is still negative.
I think you're presenting a fringe opinion (on the motte, not in the States as a whole) as a consensus, or at least a major fraction. The threads I saw were overall negative on Harris, though some comments did contain more equivocation than I remembered.
Ok, hold on, this is likely poor communication on my part. I didn't mean to say or imply that, because the majority of people here rooted for the other side. I mean of the people who rooted for the Democrats, the majority thought Kamala was pretty good. Maybe "great" was an overstatent, but even that is a far better portrayal of the sentiment than "blunder".
I think "good" or "great" is asking the wrong question. The emotions Democrats and friends were feeling in summer 2024 was driven by "Much better than 2024-vintage Biden" and, to a lesser extent "Much better than Hilary Clinton". Also the campaign was basically competent (as demonstrated by the Dems doing better in swing states where there was a lot of campaigning than they did in deep red or blue states where there wasn't), which was a pleasant surprise.
There are basically two Kamala-sympathetic stories about 2024:
The result of a close election is almost always multi-causal, but I think the economic competence story holds together best. 2024 wasn't a base mobilisation election - both campaigns got their respective bases out and were always going to. The election was decided by swing voters. And when people spoke to swing voters what they heard was "The prices are too #!@# high and the Democrats don't seem to care." There were some obvious-in-hindsight unforced errors by the Biden administration which made the prices higher than they needed to be - the too-big stimulus in 2021 and the big infrastructure bill which spent a lot of money without building any infrastructure.
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