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Because truth-seeking can, and historically often does, have a natural consequence of breaking the conditions that keep a feminine society comfortably in power. This can be on the low side, where what is revealed gives an advantage to men, or it can be on the high side, where what is revealed gives such a disadvantage to men that their economic value drops close enough to 0 that they start killing each other.
Normally, that just means they get conquered by masculine societies (whose power has different constraints), but there really aren't very many of those around these days.
I don't think the average progressive is intelligent enough to fully realize that, but the same goes for the average traditionalist. The same instinct silently instructs both on how to assert and protect a monopoly on truth- that's what those 3 Moral Foundations absent from truth-seeker morality do.
China, Russia, the Muslim world, India, the Latin American world, Africa. Basically everywhere except Burgerland and Europe.
The Latin American elite is actually pretty woke, and the peasants don't really have a lot of say in these societies. Latin America is very much not based and trad.
Sure, but if we are just talking about what percentage of the societal elite (doctors, lawyers, judges, finance, business, politicians, military officers) are women, all those places I listed are going have much lower percentages than America or Western Europe.
Upper middle class women in Latin America do not face any meaningful pressure to stay home and cook, even if casual sexism often plays well with the general public. These are not blue collar mexican immigrants to the US where women are still expected to prioritize wife skills over career, even if working full time. To use doctoring as a random example, all of the big countries in Latin America graduate more female than male doctors by a significant margin- the closest I found after a quick google search was Peru at 54%. Google indicates that Mexican medical school graduates were majority female starting in 1995.
No doubt, there is a very similar effect to the US where top flying surgeons, full professors, etc are more male than the profession as a whole. But these are societies where upper-middle class females are if anything even more girlboss oriented than the US.
that and they have (had) ministries of women in countries like Argentina, and in countries like Mexico they practice DEI even in politics, where "plurinominal" house representatives are selected based on gender (not even based on sex).
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