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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 3, 2025

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While I can not speak for the OP, I think that the information "people have been panicking over franchise and education for women leading to lower TFR for a very long time" is in itself valuable.

Yes, but not in the way you mean, since TFR has been decreasing for a long time (with the exception of the post WWII Baby Boom)

Yes, but that was seen as a good thing. Instead of having thirteen children, eleven of whom would die in infancy, now you had four/three/two healthy children who would survive to adulthood, get an education, get a good job, and have families of their own.

What happened after that was a combination of "we would rather spend our youth enjoying ourselves and our adult years enjoying our money" dressed up with "it is immoral to bring children into this world due to overpopulation/nuclear weapons/climate change".

And men, as I have repeatedly pointed out, wanted that as well. They didn't want to be trapped into marriage with a clingy, dependent wife and a brood of kids, they wanted to sow their wild oats during the Sexual Revolution, settle down to marriage once established in a career, have a couple of kids (the raising of which would mostly be left to the wife) and then enjoy retirement travelling and doing fun things. Maybe skip the couple of kids and enjoy freedom and economic prosperity.

That is why I am kicking back against "it's all the fault of women, they shouldn't go to college, their fathers should marry them off at eighteen". The hell you thirty year old guys want a dependent on you full time wife and six kids, you want as many girls who will sleep with you and be sexually adventurous as you can get, then maybe a wife who earns money to contribute to the household herself and put off having kids to later or never.

That is why I am kicking back against "it's all the fault of women, they shouldn't go to college, their fathers should marry them off at eighteen". The hell you thirty year old guys want a dependent on you full time wife and six kids, you want as many girls who will sleep with you and be sexually adventurous as you can get, then maybe a wife who earns money to contribute to the household herself and put off having kids to later or never.

You're painting with an extremely broad brush and making a lot of assumptions about men as a whole without providing any evidence to back it up. Just because there are "chads" out there pumping and dumping as many women as they can and trying to avoid any commitment doesn't mean that all, or even a majority or even a significant percentage of men are seeking the same thing. I had zero sex prior to marriage, and my wife and I would have several kids by now (and she would be a stay at home mom) if it weren't for fertility issues.

If you're going to make broad claims like this on this forum, then bring evidence to back it up. Or expect similar broad smears to be made against you and women generally, like how you're reinforcing the stereotype that most women are incapable of separating emotion from logic in debates ;)

you're reinforcing the stereotype that most women are incapable of separating emotion from logic in debates

The amount of guys dropping back onto the fainting couch clutching hartshorn-soaked hankies to their brows is giving me immense entertainment, not gonna lie. I said mean words! How dare I say mean words! Mean words are hurtful!

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I've already given you a warning for the OP. I'm not going to write a more effortful mod comment here about the direction this entire thread has gone. I already wrote many words to which you gleefully said "tldr lol." So: stop it. Stop doing the meme

Never heard of that meme, first time I've been compared to a meme. You like me!

I don't see anyone complaining about mean words though? Care to link to/quote any specific examples? I see a lot of people complaining that you're not actually making an argument. And you're continuing to fail to do so even after having it pointed out you, and after being given specific examples of how you could approach this topic that would both make coherent arguments and not run afoul of the rules.

And it didn't go unnoticed that you completely ignored my request that you back up your claim that all us "thirty year old guys... want as many girls who will sleep with you and be sexually adventurous as you can get" with something remotely resembling evidence or an argument. So I'm going to straight up ask: Are you interested whatsoever in an actual debate about this? Or are you just lashing out at us because we let people here voice opinions about women that hurt your feelings?

Men had prior to the sexual revolution tried to maintain systems of chastity and monogamy for the past few thousand years or so. Being marginally successful at the same time they marginalized women enough to keep the system going. Then, correlating with a rise in women's empowerment and finally culminating at a time of unprecedented power of women, during the 1960's, it all officially went tits up. And you say that this happened because men just wanted casual sex. But I'd ask: When did they not want casual sex?

The traditional system worked by restricting access to sex in any way it could. These systems were explicitly weakened and torn down by women. That's what women empowerment is practically defined as. One could agree it's not just the women. There were venomous actors involved in the process as well. But I don't see how women escape culpability here, given the only systems shown to work rely on constricting women and access to them in some way, and the history of the modern women is proudly defined as the revolt and destruction of these systems.