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Dang, advised a buddy to shoot his shot with a girl in a discord he was into. Apparently as soon as he admitted he had feelings she immediately blocked him and left the server.
Not sure how this guy asked her out, but generally he's a pretty socially competent guy. Not autistic or anything, has been married before and dated a good bit so not an incel type. It's just nuts that ladies by and large can be so neurotic when it comes to getting propositioned. Now his whole status in this server with folks he likes is in question.
Idk, obviously I don't understand the female experience here, but it really strikes me as a lack of maturity to react this way!!!
Anyway to make it fun, what's your best story about getting rejected and/or rejecting someone romantically?
Was it in front of everyone rather than as a PM or something? Odd.
If he was doing this over Discord, presumably he didn't actually know her yet, or he would have done something else? Maybe she wasn't representing herself accurately? Personally, I've only spoken with people semi-anonymously on Discord, and would be a bit spooked if they inferred my location and invited me over, even just another woman as a friend. But other people seem to use Discord with their actual relatives when playing games together, I think. So it seems to vary wildly.
I don't remember any specifics of rejections, I'm very awkward and was even more awkward when younger, so I'm sure I said/did something terribly cringy. I do remember one time a guy that I was good friends with but not romantically interested it and I walked by each other unexpectedly, glanced at each other, and both chose to pretend we hadn't, didn't even wave. We later confirmed that, yes, we had both noticed that happening.
No it was a PM but she blocked him and other people and left the server, and he basically owned up to people and told them what happened.
He has known her online for a while, idk exactly how it went down but I'm assuming he said something like "hey I liked you and I'd be down to date." They are many states away from each other.
I think this is probably the better/more mature response, as opposed to nuking a whole friend group and causing a bunch of drama. I find that quite immature personally but idk what it's like to be a woman.
I suppose I know what it's like to be a woman, but not what it's like to have important friendships online that didn't start in person. Considering online relationships to be ephemeral and in some sense unreal seems to be fairly common, even on dating apps where the express purpose is to find someone to eventually form a RL relationship with, as annoying as that must be for the (usually men) getting ghosted. If someone on The Motte tried inviting me to their house, I'm not sure that I wouldn't simply never use this user name again. But DSL has in-person meetups (that I've never considered attending), so not sure.
Is that a dare? Sounds like a dare.
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