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Court opinion:
A woman is standing in front of a supermarket shelf, contemplating a purchase. An employee comes up next to her, kneels on the floor with one leg sticking out behind him, and starts stocking the shelf. The woman notices the employee's presence. Nevertheless, 30 to 60 seconds after the employee's arrival, she walks away, trips over the employee's outstretched leg, and sustains injuries.
The woman sues the supermarket, but the trial judge speedily dismisses the case.
The appeals panel affirms.
Court opinion with hilariously hentai facts but also an interesting legal issue:
The three-year-old informs the wife. The wife confronts the husband, and he confesses to her. The wife informs the couple's pastor. Both the wife and the pastor urge the husband to confess to the police. The wife and the pastor inform local police. Simultaneously but separately, the husband confesses, first to a 911 dispatcher, then to a municipal police officer over the phone, and finally to a state police officer in an extended in-person interview. The standard Miranda rights aren't read to him until he gets to the state police.
The husband is charged with seven felonies, pleads guilty to two of them, and is sentenced to 15 years in prison (with the possibility of parole after 13 years). He appeals, arguing that the dispatcher and the two officers misleadingly implied in their interrogations that he was not a criminal suspect and would be able to escape with merely counseling rather than prison.
The appeals panel rejects this argument. (1) "We emphasize at the outset that defendant was not in custody when he called 911 and spoke to the dispatcher." "The dispatcher's comments that defendant was 'doing the right thing by coming forward' and that [the municipal officer] would 'get [defendant] the best help' simply do not rise to the level of the repeated, explicit assurances made in [two cases where this argument was accepted]." (2) "Defendant is hard pressed to argue he did not believe he was a suspect in the crime that he had already confessed to. Furthermore, [the municipal officer]'s assertion that he was 'not familiar with the whole situation' was, in substance, true. And, finally, at the risk of repetition, this conversation occurred via phone. Defendant was not in custody." "Like the dispatcher's statements—and quite unlike the detectives' assertions in [a case where this argument was accepted]—[the municipal officer]'s reply does not constitute an affirmative representation that defendant will not face criminal charges or penal consequences." (3) "[The state officer]'s words do not in our view constitute an affirmative misrepresentation that somehow undermined defendant's waiver of his right against self-incrimination or was otherwise inappropriate, warranting judicial condemnation." "By comparison [with three cases where this argument was accepted], [the state officer]'s remarks are innocuous."
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A person buys a defunct group home, converts it to a six-bedroom single-family house, and rents out the bedrooms. The building has a sprinkler system, as the code requires of group homes, but the system is broken. The owner spends 4 k$ on repairs, but the system breaks again, and he declines to spend another 6 k$ on more repairs, since a sprinkler system is not required in a single-family house.
Municipal code enforcement cites the owner for failing to maintain the sprinkler system. It argues that, once a sprinkler system has been installed, that system must be maintained and cannot be removed, even though it would not be required under the current use.
The owner appeals, arguing that code enforcement's interpretation is wrong. The code-enforcement board agrees with him and rules that the sprinkler system can be removed.
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A developer buys a defunct golf course and submits an application to redevelop it with two warehouses. The municipal zoning officer denies the application, because (inter alia) it does not show all the existing steep slopes on the land. The developer appeals, arguing that the manmade steep slopes of the defunct golf course are not included within the "natural resources" that the municipal zoning code requires an applicant to identify.
The zoning board denies the appeal, and the trial judge and the appeals panel affirm. "Natural resources" are defined in the municipal zoning code as "existing natural elements relating to land" and to include "steep slopes". The plain dictionary definition of "natural resources" includes manmade environmental features such as parks. And, under state precedent, any law that applies to "steep slopes" applies to both manmade and natural slopes unless the law explicitly states otherwise, since whether an originally manmade slope becomes "natural" 10, 30, or 100 years after its creation "is the sort of 'thorny bordering on philosophical' question best avoided by courts and left to legislation and policymaking".
Alright this has come up before. No more pedophilia cases in the Friday Fun Thread. It's just not fun for a lot of people.
That's as good an excuse as any to end the whole series, then.
I originally started it because I had a bunch of free time at work, court websites seemed like a browsing target that the IT people wouldn't be able to complain about1,2, and the funny and interesting opinions that I found were a good karma farm3. After retiring, I continued it out of habit and for more karma. But I'm not going to post expurgated summaries just to satisfy some whiners.
1Especially because I actually found opinions directly relevant to my civil-engineering job every few months or so.
2My coworkers never got censured for browsing stock-market and news websites on their own work computers. But better safe than sorry.
3Though of course this website does not actually list a user's total karma anywhere, so perhaps the concept of "karma farming" is not applicable.
Look, you do you, but throwing a fit and saying you don't want to do this anymore because you can't include cute and funny pedophile stories... like, c'mon man.
Honestly, if you hadn't called it "hilariously hentai facts," you probably wouldn't have gotten reported. What was "hilarious" about it?
I resent this characterization. I do not glorify child molestation*, find the enjoyability of loli hentai inversely proportional to the realism of the girls' depictions**, and definitely am not a pedophile or a child molester.
I already explained that here.
*I find it hard to believe that the behavior depicted in this particular case would inflict any permanent psychological harm on the children involved, but I haven't done any research on this topic and do not have a strong, evidence-based opinion on it.
**Skinny = unrealistic = titillating, chubby = realistic = not titillating.
I am not saying you're a pedophile. I'm saying the story isn't funny, and presenting it as "funny" is why you're getting a lot of flack.
This really isn't helping the impression that you're being a little oblivious here.
I'm not saying that the story itself is funny. I'm saying that the similarity of this story to a hentai plot is funny. I don't recall reading any hentai manga with this specific plot*, but I definitely have read both hentai manga and ArchiveOfOurOwn erotic stories (example of the latter) that use the victim's obliviousness to trick her into giving a blowjob. And, again, no physical harm was done here.
*I do not seek out loli stories while filtering recent uploads on Exhentai, so it's very possible that I missed some.
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I greatly enjoy this series and appreciate you doing it and, prior to seeing the mod comment, was wondering if there was a way to report a series of posts for "quality contribution", because while I don't think any individual one of these posts rises to quite that level I think the series in aggregate is worth that.
I think you're being a little overdramatic here. This post has 4 stories in it, you could easily have included only 3 of them and, while you'd have lost 25% of the available content, it also would have taken 25% less time to type up. It does seem annoying, and goes against the Motte's general anti-censorship atmosphere, but if I squint I can see their point in that this is "Friday Fun Thread" and not the culture war post. They're not just picking on you to be mean.
I don't know, ultimately you get to choose what you do with your time and whether you're willing to compromise. I just think that this is a fun feature of the Motte that you create each week, and would be sad to see it go.
Seconded.
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