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Good for him. Reports are that she’s a US citizen.
Naturally, the side of Empathy, antiracism, antimisogyny, and free love has taken to sneering at her and calling her a mail-order bride.
Nor does the side who keeps wailing about Empathy for Renee being a mother give the slightest fuck about Jonathan being a father.
Do you have some links for this one in particular? Any source will do.
A Xitter user with 43k followers explicitly describing Ross's wife as a mail-order bride. Heart-reacted 92k times, retweeted 15k times.
Richard Hanania mocking him for having an immigrant wife while thinking immigrants are a threat to America (refusing to parse the legal/illegal immigrant distinction, of course).
Richard Hanania asserting that Ross married a brown woman and then decided to devote his life to terrorising brown people (my God, do I loathe the term "people of colour", as if a Filipina has anything in common with a Somalian other than not being white).
Someone on Instagram comparing Ross's wife to the sexually exploited women she met while working as a missionary.
A Xitter user claiming that Ross married his Filipina wife specifically because the Philippines is the only country in the world which doesn't recognise divorce, thereby enslaving her.
If ICE was only deporting illegals, that would be true. But it doesn't seem to be the case. They are seen terrorizing not only legal immigrants but also US citizens. They even shot an innocent lady in Minnesota and decided to cover it up.
Besides Obama deported more illegals for a fraction of the cost. Where is the money going? Probably in terrorizing “brown people”, so that terrorizing part must be more by volume that ICE legal activities.
Are we talking about the same woman? Because her "innocence" is exactly what's under discussion, and I can't say it's been effectively "covered up" if literally everyone is talking about it.
ICE is not talking about it, in fact, they are actively denying it, blocking investigation and spreading lies.
And Trump, vice-president and other politicians are gaslighting about that.
How is releasing footage of the incident that the assailant filmed on his phone "covering it up"?
It didn't provide any new info therefore it was done for gasligting knowing that bunch of retarded people will see that recording as supporting their views.
You seem to be using the word "gaslighting" in a nonstandard manner.
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