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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 12, 2026

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replacing their regimes with sane governments

The Iranian government is approximately sane. They need their religious fervor in order to (1) sustain their already low TFR, (2) incentivize high births among the intelligent [who otherwise would leave or not have so many kids], and (3) encourage bravery among the men who will certainly be dying against Israel this century. It doesn’t hurt that (4) it also promotes alliances with other Muslims in the region. Without Islam, Arabs would be a lot less resistant to the idea of America and Israel completely destroying them. If you were dictator of Iran and had the best interest of Iranians at heart, IMO you would be forced to retain the religious component of their governance, even without considering the huge gains in life satisfaction that come with religiosity. (And even the veil — women having to wear a modest veil likely increases their happiness given the longterm problems that come with the culture of appearance-obsession that plagues Western women).

The idea that “secularism” is sane for Iran is silly. The idea that democracy is remotely viable should be disproven per the long history of America interfering with democracies.

You're seriously arguing that the Iranians are happier with Shia fundamentalism imposed upon them? Bold I must say. Why all the mass protests over the years I wonder? (Including some specifically over veiling.)

Are you aware that Iran already has a famously high rate of plastic surgery?

Are you aware Iran has a famously high rate of brain drain?

Are you aware the Islamic government actually instituted policies to decrease the TFR and increase female education? (Whoops.)

Are you aware that Persians are not Arabs?

Are you aware that the extremist version of Shia Islam the Iranian Islamic regime adheres to increases conflict with basically all of its Sunni neighbors?

"Approximately" is doing a hell of a lot of work in the "approximately sane" evaluation.

You're seriously arguing that the Iranians are happier with Shia fundamentalism imposed upon them?

It's not imposed upon them, it's home-grown. They chose it in 1979.

Are you aware of the basic facts of the aftermath of the Islamic Revolution?

Familiar with buyer's remorse?

Capable of understanding its' been nearly 50 years and the theocratic regime does not have democratic legitimacy, since it's an illiberal, sham democracy?

Are you aware of the basic facts of the aftermath of the Islamic Revolution?

Sure, lots of Death-To-America rallies, lots of Westernized Iranians who hadn't fled (among others) getting killed. Basically consolidation of power. Worked, too.

Capable of understanding its' been nearly 50 years and the theocratic regime does not have democratic legitimacy, since it's an illiberal, sham democracy?

They don't need democratic legitimacy. With most of the people they have religious legitimacy, and for the malcontents they have the sword.

Basically consolidation of power. Worked, too.

They executed a lot of commies and other insufficiently Islamic co-revolutionaries. Lots of the country immediately regretted taking out the Shah. That was decades ago and things only got worse.

They don't need democratic legitimacy.

Ok, so you agree then that the present regime is imposing Shia theocracy on its populace?

With most of the people they have religious legitimacy

This hasn't been true for a long time.

Ok, so you agree then that the present regime is imposing Shia theocracy on its populace?

They're a Shia theocratic regime ruling over Shiites. No imposing necessary.

So, why then are there millions of Iranians calling for regime change? This is just the latest, most serious iteration in a series of protests calling for reform.

Logically, you're making a pretty circular argument.

"The regime is legitimate because it's homegrown. Homegrown protests be damned."

"Iran is a Shia theocracy because it's made up of Shias. It's not imposed."

So, why then are there millions of Iranians calling for regime change?

I don't know how many there are. But it's a country of 90 million. There could be a discontented 10% calling for regime change, and that would be 9 million people, and still the vast majority of the country could support the regime. Muslims just seem to like fundamentalist Islamic rule.

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