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Culture War Roundup for the week of February 6, 2023

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I know that slavery was integral to the economy of the southern states, but when people say "slavery built America", it seems like they're implying that it was integral to the northern states, too. My biases, which I am actively seeking to counteract, tell me that anyone who says slavery built America is ignoring history.. but y'know, I don't actually know that much about history. I just remember learning in high school that the southern economy was agricultural and sustained by unpaid labor, while the north wasn't agricultural and didn't have any financial need for slavery.

How important was slavery to the north, financially speaking? If the textile factories weren't able to get cotton from the south, would they have ceased to be, or would they have just gotten cotton elsewhere? (Like from overseas?)

Other commenters are missing the point of GDP by labeling slavery as non-investment spending. Money changed hands, so someone saw material benefit from slavery. The question is whom. These foreign trade charts suggest we mostly exported crude materials until the late 1800s, but it wasn’t much of our GDP. On the other hand, this essay notes that US cotton provided something like 75% of British textiles. That’s potentially a lot of money flowing into the US.

But I suspect it’s a moot point. “Built on slavery” has legs because of the ideological gap between American founding principles and the peculiar institution. It’s an attack on Jefferson, Washington, etc. who saw personal benefit. Any overall economic effect is less important given the particular reverence of the American right for these figures.

On the other hand, this essay notes that US cotton provided something like 75% of British textiles. That’s potentially a lot of money flowing into the US.

No one denies that slavery brought in money, but the claim is that far more money would have been brought in if there had been a market based labor system. As compared with the alternative, slavery was a net loss.

This really does not address the point, because it is entirely possible for both of these to be true:

  1. As you say, compared with the alternative, slavery was a net loss"; and

  2. Slaves "built America" to some degree (BTW< IMHO, that degree is quite small)

In other words, slavery did exist, it was used for labor instead of market-based labor, and hence slave labor was responsible for X percent of US GDP being what it is today. That is true, even if current US GDP would be even higher, had market-based labor been used in the South (which, BTW, I agree is very likely the case).

Similarly, if I hire Bob to build my house, he built my house, even if Joe would have built a better house cheaper and faster.

It all depends on what the point of saying "America was built on slavery" is. My impression is that the goal of this movement is to establish that the USA's extraordinary economic prowess and status as the premier world power is due to (would not have existed without) its early reliance on slavery, rather than to its unique founding principles or constitution. If this is true, then the case for forfeiting its those founding principles to atone for the evils of slavery through e.g. reparations or affirmative action is strengthened.

But the existence of alternatives isn’t really important when assigning blame. If I steal a man’s money, I shouldn’t get to keep it. That’s true whether or not I could have expected more money by working a normal job.

Maybe counterfactuals matter when trying to put an actual number on it. The injury would something like be Potential - Actual GDP. This has its own set of problems.

The question isn't assigning blame, it's actually assigning credit for success. If America's success is primarily due to slavery, then a) maybe the slaves are owed not just for the wrongs due to them but also for the lion's share of America's prosperity and b) the achievements of the founders are proportionally reduced, so fidelity to their principles is less important.