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Quoting the camp commandant, Franz Stangl:
Concrete blocks were installed as a base to lay the rails on. About 1000 bodies were burned at a time, with 5-7,000 per day.
Quoting SS-Oberscharführer Heinrich Matthes, who was in charge of Camp III (the extermination section of Treblinka):
Yechiel Reichmann, a Jew part of the "burning group" who was one of the several dozen who survived the mass breakout from Treblinka that ended its operation:
(The "expert" referred to was SS-Standartenführer Paul Blobel.)
Once again, I would repeat that the biggest obstacle to Holocaust denialists is why exactly the Germans (as well as Ukrainian and Polish auxiliaries who testified about the cremation of corpses at the Aktion Reinhard camps) went into such imaginary and morbid detail about something that never happened. Why not just deny it all if they were innocent? Why come up with such ridiculous exaggerations and lies, and then why did the other witnesses also lie to corroborate them? Barely any Jewish victims survived the Reinhard camps to claim otherwise.
Quotes sourced from Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka : The Operation Reinhard Death Camps by Yitzkah Arad.
Keep in mind that ChatGPT suggested it would take at least several hundred cords of wood to cremate 5,000 people (before even bringing up Holocaust issues, so it cannot be said to just be regurgitating Revisionist literature), which is of course a reasonable estimate. Here's a video of 20 cords of wood being delivered hauled by a crane. Ask yourself if it's reasonable to believe there was ~20 times this amount of wood delivered and burned on a daily basis within this small camp. And there are no witness accounts for such deliveries and of course no documentation whatsoever of the delivery of any wood, much less hundreds of cords per day. There were also 0 contemporaneous reports of these daily raging infernos burning 24/7 despite the fact the camp was known among the locals and immediately next to a rail line.
It's a problem with the story, the claim that 5-7,000 people were cremated per day is not credible and there's no good evidence for it. Like ChatGPT said, the evidence relies on contradictory and unreliable witness accounts without concrete evidence. It's a logistically absurd claim. It's not even close to being possible.
All those figures about wood are for burning one body at a time for traditional funeral practices, which is very inefficient. From a few large animals I had to cremate rather than bury, it seems like you can burn quite a few for the price of one, but who knows how far that scales?
Edit: the incinerations during the UK foot and mouth outbreak are probably our best guide here. You'll never believe how many animals were burned--it's a little on the snout. It's possible they were using literal tons of diesel, but it's at least something to research.
I've always been on the lookout for decent mass cremation info, but never came across anything useful--even India during Covid never did "mass cremation" as in "multiple bodies per pyre." Doing it in open air rather than in a regenerative furnace is going to significantly increase the amount of wood needed--"some brush and petrol" sets off all my bullshit detectors.
I do think the "cooking people in their own fat" thing is patently ridiculous. If nothing else very low temperature cremation would leave enormous quantities of unburned bone to rebury, rather defeating the point of the whole operation. (But hey, it's something we could dig for!)
Just saw your edit. Revisionists have already studied the UK foot and mouth outbreak as a case study for mass burial and cremation.
Here is a source showing the mass burial specifications for the UK foot and mouth mass graves. It shows 1,262,000 worth of sheep that weighed 50kg on average (close to an average human) were buried in about 1000 hectares of mass grave space.
There is no more than 2 hectares of possible mass grave space in Treblinka based on mainstream research. Arad claims those 2 hectares held 800,000 human corpses.
The revisionist also analyzes the UK foot and mouth livestock mass grave at Great Orton. About 575,077 sheep-equivalent carcasses were buried in mass graves covering no less than 55 hectares.
If Treblinka achieved similar density as that livestock grave then that would imply 72 hectares of space would have been required to bury 760,000 people, but there is only 2 hectares of possible space where those bodies could have been buried in Treblinka, and 0% of those 2 hectares have ever been showed to cover mass graves.
The Revisionist put together the to-scale results from recent GPR investigation of Trebklina (in yellow) next to the Great Orton grave space (orange). So the orange space (at the very least) was required to bury 575,000 animal carcasses weighing an average of 50kg. But the yellow spots are supposed to account for the burial of 700,000-800,000 people in this small space in Treblinka. He also inlaid the GPR hits in a 1-hectare space to scale. Mainstream historians claim that 700,000-800,000 people were buried within that white square (plus maybe one more of those squares but there's no evidence for that). Those little pits supposedly held more carcasses than all of Great Orton.
Here's the to-scale comparison with Belzec, where the number of alleged burials in Belzec is 75.6% of the number of sheep-equivalent carcasses buried at Great Orton (orange).
There's also a brief analysis of the UK foot and mouth graves on cubic volume to show that what was observed was perfectly inline with Revisionist estimates.
Lastly, the UK foot and mouth case study allows us to dispense with the absurd claim from @official_techsupport that humans are self-cremating.
A 200-meter pyre for 1,200 sheep doesn't stand against the magical pyres at Treblinka that could cremate 7,000 people using a "few dry branches" or no fuel at all! So it goes.
It is a physical fact that a human body releases several times more heat when burned that is required to evaporate all the water it contains (the main heat sink, everything else is a rounding error). This means that the more bodies you burn at once, the less extra fuel you need per body, on the margin. You have not disputed this claim at all, except by asking GPT if a single body can be burned with minimal extra fuel.
And then there's the issue of comparing apples to oranges: how much more efficient the Germans became after tons of trial and error (as mentioned in your own sources) and how much lower were their standards for the acceptable result of cremation compared to the USDA (not to mention human crematoriums).
You are just speaking pure nonsense, but I'll point out that the standard of cremation for hiding the evidence of a crime requires a much higher state of destruction than cremating a carcass for sanitary or biohazard reasons.
I'm speaking elementary school math.
Why would the Nazis want to hide the evidence of something they did not consider a crime? You sound like you're brainwashed by the Jewish propaganda saying that WW2 was about the Holocaust. It was not, not at all whatsoever. I repeat, reading "The Holocaust: a Nazi Perspective" might do you some good. Or not, if you are genuinely not capable of doing elementary school math among other things.
According to official historiography, the discovery of the Katyn Forest mass graves by the Germans led Himmler to be concerned about the Holocaust mass graves being discovered in the same way. The story goes, he therefore ordered the extermination camps to exhume the corpses of the millions of murdered Jews and for them to be cremated.
Hiding the evidence is cited by mainstream historiography as the motive for the Germans exhuming the millions bodies they had just buried and burning them on open-air pyres.
There were even allegations that the Germans went further and mixed the cremated ashes of the gas chamber victims with concrete and used it to pave roads. The road that was constructed near Treblinka from around this time was forensically tested but no human remains were found in the material. There were also allegations that the cremains were manufactured into fertilizer and used for German crops. However, cremated remains are toxic to plant life largely due to the high concentration of sodium.
This is to say, hiding the evidence is the alleged motive motive for the gargantuan task of cremating 5,000-7,000 people every single day on open-air pyres in Treblinka. It therefore would have required cremation with a very high state of destruction.
Contrary to a layperson's perception of cremains, even state-of-the-art cremation furnaces do not reduce a body to pure ash. There are still many thousands of identifiable bone fragments and many large identifiable bone fragments. Needless to say, an open-air pyre is far less efficient than a state-of-the-art cremation furnace and would have extreme difficulty in reaching even this state of destruction.
There would be many hundreds of millions of identifiable teeth and bone fragments in the ground of Treblinka if the story were true, and it would be trivial to excavate huge masses of cremains at Treblinka and disprove Revisionism forever. But that is never going to happen, because the authorities know that those masses of remains are not there.
I've read it, it's typical Moldbug. Very provocative title, but makes no effort at a genuine Nazi perspective. He just cites a witness and says "good enough for me!"
good thing we're not talking about proper cremations! you do realize the nazis weren't exactly interested in giving the people they genocided a proper burial, right?
i seriously don't know what your trouble is when both @official_techsupport and @faul_sname gave you very good explanations, with faul_sname handholding you through the math while you regurgitate fucking chatgpt and present it as an actual argument
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