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Wellness Wednesday for February 8, 2023

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Is anyone here knowledgable about food safety? I really hate getting food poisoning. I've been in Asia for a few months and I'm surprised to see prepared foods including seafood and meat being left at room temperature at grocery stores and food markets all day long. I've seen this in Thailand, South Korea and Japan. In the US prepared foods are required to be refrigerated or heated at all times for food safety reasons.

I did some googling but didn't find any satisfying answers as to whether I personally (as an American) can safely eat food that's been left at room temperature for hours in grocery stores in Asia or not. One forum I read said that food producers (i.e. farmers) have much more strict regulations in East Asia than the rest of the world so it's not a concern. (They also said that in the US and other countries, food safety falls more on the end seller rather than the producer as in East Asia.) Another forum said that Asians are just more used to the contagions that would be present than foreigners so they don't get sick. Another forum mentioned something called "fried rice syndrome" which is a common food poisoning from leftover rice that hasn't been stored properly. If either of the latter two cases are true I think I should avoid eating food that's been sitting out but I'd like to get some advice here.

Safety of food left sitting out after cooking doesn't depend on anything the farmer did, it's all local bacteria growth.

A lot of American buffet and deli food sits at basically room temperature all day, and while I don't eat it, if people were getting sick you'd expect a lot more lawsuits. I guess the real question is do you trust that it's only been sitting out today, rather than every day this week?

Rice sitting even covered in a fridge for a few days can end up with red and blue mold, or other lovely things. It's amazing how quickly it goes off.

American buffet

American buffets are the poster child of food poisoning. Spent 23 years in India, the land of food-poisoning stereotypes without being poisoned. Went to my first Indian buffet in Boston and got the most horrifying case of violently-releasing-food-from-all-orifices.

I now refuse to eat at low-turnover buffets in the US. I only visit ones that serve so many people in 1 day that food never gets cold and a case of food poisoning would likely force them to shut down.

Yeah, I turned around and left the last time I saw one. Some of that stuff looked like it'd been there for days...

A lot of American buffet and deli food sits at basically room temperature all day, and while I don't eat it, if people were getting sick you'd expect a lot more lawsuits.

I dunno about this. When someone gets sick, is the first response to call a lawyer? The vast majority of people who get food sickness do nothing. Usually only when it req. hospitalization is a report made, because hospitals are legally req. to.

Ngl I'm really just working on the stereotype that Americans sue whenever anything bad happens to them, so if there's no lawsuits nothing bad must be happening. See the class action suit against chipotle for making people shit themselves.