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Mate, please stop explaining. You just sound more and more creepy the more you go on about older men and younger girls. Seven year age gaps can be a huge gulf, or not so much, depending on the age of both parties. 15 and 21 are two different phases of life. 22 and 29 are getting nearer in experiences. 30 and 37 are fine.
10 and 17 is not fine. 12 and 19 is not fine. And I've found that arguments around "why not 15?" tend to drift downwards rather than upwards in the "if 15, why not..." later development of the argument. If 15, why not 14? If 14, why not 13? If 13, why not 12 - after all in the Classical world 12 year olds were married! (as you have used as an example yourself).
As to "family condoned", that depends on the family. Were I the parent of a young daughter, I'd be highly suspicious of any 20-25 year old guy sniffing around my 13-15 year old daughter.
As age falls, the number of men who are disrupted decreases, while the reasons for disrupting increase. Eventually, you get children who don't desire sex, can't get pregnant, and don't understand it. It's pretty clear that the age of consent should be higher than that number, and that number is probably greater than 10 or 11. Probably it's between 13 and 15, if you look at the recent modern world. I personally think 13 is too young for sex because I think it's probably the minimum age a girl can really fall in love with a man, she's very inexperienced at that age, and any man (or boy) ought to wait and meet her family before taking her virginity, which she should definitely have. And 13 year olds still have mild intelligence deficit compared to adults that goes away by 15. If I had to pick an exact age, I'm split between 14 and 15. Maybe I would pick 14.5 because it would be funny and it would highlight the arbitrary nature of the law. "How old are you?" "14." "Which type of 14??" LOL
Why are all the guys so eager to fuck teenage girls also so insistent that these girls be virgins?
Serious question, bub: You keep talking about your "lived experience." So I assume you are not a virgin. I'm not going to ask if you've ever banged an underage girl, but I am going to ask: assuming you have had sex with a virgin, why didn't you marry her?
The lived experience is me at 15. I only know what went on in my head at 15 for sure, not anybody else's.
This is a loaded question, because I did marry her.
And does she know you are looking for fifteen year old candidates to replace her, now she's all old and used up?
She's not "old and used up", we married a few months ago and I will never leave her no matter how old we get.
Says the guy trying to convince us all that 15 is plenty old enough and men are naturally attracted to younger women and girls.
If you got the age of consent up to 21 and I said it should be 18, you would say the same thing. That means you object not to the ability of the median person of that age to consent, but rather the idea of trying to make young women more available, even if that isn't a particular speaker's goal. In other words, your objection to discussing this topic is age invariant. But this objection precludes optimization of the age of consent, since you can talk about raising it, but never lowering it, no matter where it is at the moment.
Dude, drop it. You're interested in access to underage sex, I'm not interested in facilitating people (men, women or other genders) who are interested in underage sex, and more dialogue isn't going to change that.
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