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I promise I'm not trying to be a single purpose account here, and I debated if this belonged here or the fun thread. I decided to go here because it is, in some ways, a perfect microcosm of culture war behaviors.
A question about car washing is taking HN by storm this morning. Reading the comments, it's pretty funny. The question is, if you want to wash your car, should you walk or drive to the car wash if it's 50 meters away.
Initially, no model could consistently get it right. The open weight models, chat gpt 5.2, Opus 4.6, Gemini 3, and Grok 4.1 all had a notable number of recorded instances saying of course you should walk. It's only 50 meters away.
Last night, the question went viral on the tik Tok, and as of this morning, the big providers get it correct like somebody flipped a switch, provided you use that exact phrase, and you ask it in English.
This is interesting to me for a few reasons. The first is that the common "shitty free models" defense crops up rapidly; commentors will say that this is a bad-faith example of LLM shortfalls because the interlocutors are not using frontier models. At the same time, a comment suggests that Opus 4.6 can be tricked, while another says 4.6 gets it right more than half the time.
There also multiple comments saying that this question is irrelevant because it's orthogonal to the capabilities of the model that will cause Mustafa Suleyman's Jobpocalypse. This one was fascinating to me. This forum is, though several steps removed, rooted in the writing of Scott Alexander. Back when Scott was a young firebrand who didn't have much to lose, he wrote a lot of interesting stuff. It introduced me, a dumb redneck who had lucked his way out of the hollers and into a professional job, into a whole new world of concepts that I had never seen before. One of those was Gell-Mann Amnesia. The basic idea is that you are more trusting of sources if you are not particularly familiar with a topic. In this case, it's hard not to notice the flaws - most people have walked. Most have seen a car. Many have probably washed a car. However, when it comes to more technical, obscure topics, most of us are probably not domain experts in them. We might be experts in one of them. Some of us might be experts in two of them, but none of us are experts in all of them. When it comes to topics that are more esoteric than washing a car, we rapidly end up in the territory of Dick Cheney's unknown unknowns. Somebody like @self_made_human might be able to cut through the chaff and confidently take advice about ocular migraines, but could you? Could I? Hell if I know.
Moving on, the last thing is that I wonder if this is a problem of the model, or the training techniques. There's an old question floating around the Internet where asking an LLM if it would disarm a nuclear bomb by saying a racial slur, or condemn millions to death. More recently, people charted other biases and found that most models had clear biases in terms of race, gender, sexual orientation, and nation of origin that are broadly in line with an aggressively intersectional, progressive worldview. Do modern models similarly have environmentalism baked in? Do they reflexively shy away from cars in the same way that a human baby fears heights? It would track with some of the other ingrained biases that people have found.
That last one is interesting, because I don't know of anyone who has done meaningful work on that outside of what we consider to be "culture war" topics, and we really have no idea what else is in there. My coworker, for example, has used Gemini 3 to make slide decks, and she frequently complains that it is obsessed with the color pink. It'll favor pink, and color palettes that work with pink, nearly every time for her. If she tells it not to use pink, it'll happily comply by using salmon, or fuschia, or "electric flushed cheek", or whatever pantone's new pink synonym of the year is. That example is innocuous, but what else is in there that might matter? Once again, hell if I know.
I'd expect to the degree any model gets it 'right' without modification, it reflects some weirdness in the model rather than something inherently better about the strengths of the model. A couple local (and thus not-updated-specifically-to-this-question) Thinking-style models I tried the same question on gave the 'wrong' answer, but had Thinking components specifically highlighting that the question was strange and must have involved unstated assumptions (either picking up materials from the car wash to do the work at home, or the car already being there). A dumber old model got it right occasionally, but that's probably as much a result of the high temperature I was running it rather than any actual consideration.
Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.
Yes. There's a fun question of whether it's just Reddit-brain, or was actively cultivated by the people training it. But since it's present in both heavily decensored or trained-out-of-US models, my bet's that the former is at least part of the problem.
It's... not exactly a hard trick to learn skepticism. Nor one useful only when considering LLMs. As much as that summary of "you can not actually outsource the requirement to evaluate truth" has aged like milk, that doesn't change whether it's a good idea. The core question of 'what do you know, and how do you know it' can't solve everything, but where a matter matters, you shouldn't be trusting one secondary source without verification no matter what substrate it's running on.
Mine got hung up wondering why you would try to optimize 50 meters, it's too inconsequential a distance to matter for greenhouse gas emissions or exercise.
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