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blackstampede  one of the liberals  1yr ago (text post)   2291 thread views

I'm glad you guys exist

I'm not a regular poster on /r/TheMotte. I've done a bit of work getting this website up and running and I plan to stick around and try to help a little more, but I don't know that I will contribute much to the discussion. I just wanted to say that I appreciate that there exists a place where people can discuss the sorts of things that get you banned everywhere else, while setting aside their partisan, political, religious motivations (for the most part) and demanding effort and evidence. That's valuable to me, even if I'm not participating. It's important that someone, somewhere, can do that.

So I appreciate everything you guys do. Thanks for being here.

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We're too autistic and awkward to know how to take a compliment

"We" probably shouldn't be playing up how much quirky nerds we actually are even if sneerclub calls us that 50 gazillion times.

One of the worst things that could ever happen to the Motte is if the users start thinking it imbues or requires some form of identity/personality. It probably does, but it might be one of those things best left not discussed or pandered to. I've seen many a forums become a satire of themselves because of this. The Motte is more immune to that than other places in my experience, but I wouldn't risk it.

Edit - If it isn't clear; The failure mode is the discussion becomes less about about the things being discussed, and more about the people having the discussion.

Jokes and motteposters, name a more iconic duo

Yeah no shit?

It's not that I am against the idea of joking or having fun, or think that users here can't take a joke: But my concern is more about the type of people specific types of jokes attract.

You can call me overly cautious or a party pooper but take a look at the slatestarcodex main sub. It's filled to the brim with normies making posts along the likes of "hello fellow autists and awkward people". It's embarrassing to see.

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