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I find racial obsessions and advocating for race war annoying, because it is based on dishonesty and unreasoning hatred and will not lead to human betterment. You like to characterize me as feeling "hatred" or "pointing and sputtering" because you're not so subtly trying to imply I'm a Jew, or Jew aligned. In fact, I just think you're wrong about most things.
That said, since you're in a discursive mood: you say you don't want a violent pogrom. You don't want to exterminate Jews. (I maintain your real position is "The Holocaust didn't happen and it's good that it did"). You just want to... eliminate Jewishness, in the same sense that the woke left talks about "eliminating whiteness"? Realistically, though, how does that work? Do you really believe a converted campaign could persuade Jews worldwide to abandon their identity as Jews, religion and all? Especially given that even if you are sincere about not wishing them physical harm, many (most) of your fellow travelers are less reticent and seem very unlikely to accept hypothetical "de-Jewed" Jews into the fold?
It happened to us didn't it? Yes I want Jews to abandon Judaism. It's an extremely harmful, anti-civilization cult- it's a slave morality. The Jewish self-conception is as a slave race in revolt against civilization. And this percolates into everything they produce. I do want them to abandon that cult, and I do think it is more of an ideological problem than even a race problem. The race problem is relevant because their talents make them extremely effective. But their underlying cult is actually the root of the problem.
If Jews abandoned Judaism and were on board for a new pro-Civilizational ideology I would be open to that alliance. But yeah, they have to renounce Yahweh and Judaism- non-negotiable.
What exactly happened to us? As I understand it, you want "white people" to consolidate as a single ethno-national identity, but white nationalism is a modern construct. White people did not historically think of themselves as one tribe. So you're casting back for an identity that never existed.
I'd be fine seeing Judaism abandoned, but I feel that way about all religions. "Slave morality": very Nietzche, much edgy, but most religions preach some form of humility and service and other nasty things Ike mercy and generosity and also we are special to the gods because only we follow the rules correctly.
In the United States they absolutely did so, from the foundation of the country eligibility for citizenship was "White". And it turned on a dime. But the same applies to ethnic German identity or pride, or even ethnic British identity or pride. You can get arrested for being too enthusiastic in your identification as an ethnic Brit.
It is absolutely possible to Culture-War someone's identity into submission. Jewish identity should be analyzed and criticized in equal measure.
Yes, because they were very concerned about slaves, and slave (or freedmen) populations mixing with the white population. You're arguing we should use the racial anxiety of slaveholders as the basis of our ethnic identity. Unless you are literally proposing a return to slavery (or at least, something like Apartheid), this is not going to work, and it's still a very particular historical window from which you are deriving your notion of "white identity."
If you read a little American history, you will realize that while English, Germans, French, and Dutch considered themselves closer to each other than Indians or blacks, they certainly did not think of themselves as one people, let alone those barely-human Spaniards, Italians, Irish, and Greeks. Even under slavery, we had all the tribes described in Albion's Seed and more; they were anything but "Hello, fellow White People!"
You want to create an artificial and ahistorical white identity for political purposes. The modern "African American" identity is kind of like that, I guess, but their circumstances were quite different.
You won't see me defending the British legal regime, but you're gonna have to stretch real hard to put that on the Jews.
Your critique, though, is as useless as the people who think Chinese are all bugmen. Or the people who really do think "it's not okay to be white" (because we're all born racist and evil). It's a paranoid fantasy of a global Jewish hivemind.
Can we just appreciate that you don't think "White American" is a real thing when it was the original requirement for citizenship? You are just proving my point of how easy it is to use culture to convert something that was just plainly obvious for the vast majority of the country into an identity that doesn't really exist. You are the product of the cultural processes you are underestimating Amadan.
And where are they now? They are White. They don't cling to their ancestry in remotely the same way Jews retain their identity and organize on the basis of their identity. That's why it's a non-starter. If Jews want to assimilate into a White pro-civilizational ideology they need to free themselves from Yahweh. If they can't do it that means that they will continue to play the shell game of assimilation/assertion based on the convenience of the moment, for their group benefit and at our group expense.
"If you want to be one of us you have to be one of us." You can't retain identity with a superstitious desert cult on the basis of a blood-covenant with a jealous anti-civilizational god.
I do think "White American" is a real thing as a social category. I do not think it is a real thing as a unified ethnic tribe with uniform common beliefs and traditions. (It's kind of getting there but it's relatively recent.) You are playing a weaselly game of definitions here. "Hurr hurr you don't even think white people exist, you have been brainwashed by Da Joos." No, I think white people exist. I do not think "white people" have had the "racial consciousness" you assert and advocate until recently, historically.
Okay, but so what? Historically, the answer is that Germans, French, Dutch, English, etc. were able to assimilate and become part of the broader American "white" society in a way that was precluded for Jews. Your answer is that Jews are uniquely nefarious and Jewish culture and identity is uniquely malign. Market minorities exist in other places in the world and behave in similar ways. You simultaneously endorse shunning Jews-as-Jews from society but complain that, thus shunned, they continue to band together and maintain their own society. You can't tell people "We hate you and won't accept you, but don't you dare stick together out of self-defense."
Do Christians also have to reject their god? Are you a "Christianity is a Jew-cucked slave morality cult" white nationalist? Or are you a "Judeo-Christianity is a Jew lie" white nationalist?
Leaving aside the practicality of demanding people abandon a religion that's thousands of years old because you think that uniquely among all religions in the world, it's evil, I do not believe you'd actually accept Jews who abandon Judaism, and I think with good reason, Jews would not believe you. (And even if you are an unusually magnanimous white nationalist, as I said most of your fellow WNs are pretty open about wanting Jews to just... quietly and peacefully vanish to Mars or something.) There are atheistic Jews today with no connection to the Jewish religion, but you still accuse them of Jewing Jewishly. How many generations would they have to divest themselves of Judaism before you'd consider them no longer Jewy Jews? Your proposal is not sincere and not credible.
You are just flatly wrong, you can look at Thomas Jefferson's writings for who counted as "White." It's basically algebra. The question concerned them as well. Racial consciousness was the status quo until very recently but people like you are duped into thinking we always thought the way you do today. They did not. As late as 1923 an Indian Sikh was denied citizenship by the Supreme Court for not being White, and the Indian's argument was not even against the letter of the law but claiming that Indians are Aryan. Can't you imagine me on the Supreme Court hearing this argument and denying an Indian citizenship for claiming to be Aryan?
Wow, sounds like I could have been on SCOTUS in 1923. I would have even written a better opinion given I'm acquainted with the "Indians are Aryan saar" line of argument. Whereas you deny that they had this sort of racial consciousness in the first place. You are just so brainwashed by -current day- you can't even relate to the consciousness of the country 100 years ago. There are Americans today who were alive when SCOTUS made that decision. Isn't it amazing how everything turned on a dime?
Jews should be treated no differently than Jews treat Whites. No more no less. Take the ADL, AIPAC, American Jewish Congress- invert it. And Jews were accepted, but they used their acceptance to attain power and promote their own culture and identity at the expense of their outgroup.
They ought to, but it wouldn't be a requirement in the same way. If Christians did what Jews do, it would be a requirement, but they don't so it isn't.
Atheistic Jews still very frequently identify as Jews. See Eric Weinstein flipping off the Arch of Titus when he visited Rome. He's still offended by that 2000 year old offense to Jews. He's still a Jew even if he's an Atheist. Yes, if they want to be on my side they have to let that go. If they aren't willing to then that just proves they are on their own side doesn't it?
Jews would never let me into their ingroup. Maybe if I did a full conversion process and renounced any previous religious identities. Even then it will be difficult. Sorry, but if a Jew is claiming to be one of us within my in-group then it's a minimum expectation they depart from their Jewish identity. If they aren't willing to that shows they belong to a different tribe.
You're being very lazy. When I say whites didn't have racial consciousness as whites, I don't mean I believe Thomas Jefferson or the 1920s Supreme Court believed all races are the same. I mean you are trying to construct a pan-white brotherhood based solely on European ancestry that did not exist.
Concretely, what does this mean? I know you think (almost) all Jews are involved in some conspiracy to destroy white people, though the mechanics seem to be basically using social influence and democratic processes to make society more liberal? So how would you reverse uno the Jews?
Okay, so thanks for confirming that there's no realistic way any Jew could be regarded as acceptable to you, regardless of his individual beliefs. If a Jew actually said "okay, I no longer identify as a Jew, I am just a white American," you would say "lol no."
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