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Culture War Roundup for the week of May 25, 2026

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We also know race blind liberalism is possible, since the United States lives under it (and to some extent Europe). Do you like the system?

I mean, isn't the complaint that it isn't actually race-blind? Either because we're too lenient on black defendants, or because of affirmative action and DEI?

My preference as a heterodox libertarian would be for a race blind system that actually punished people where appropriate. If that means a higher percentage of black people end up in prison, so be it. So yes, I like the theoretical idea of race-blind liberalism, more or less.

We can't have this discussion properly when you aren't actually willing to grant the basic race facts. You don't just grant for the sake of the argument here; you must grant for the sake of reality. Then we can talk about policy. The way it works, though, is that when we try to establish the facts, we get shouted down. So there is no point and there can be no discussion. The facts remain the facts, and the fact remains that the facts remain denied.

I don't think I've ever shouted anyone down for anything here on the Motte.

Don't get me wrong. I've been working my way through books recommended here and elsewhere. But it is slow going, and I'm not yet fully on board with HBD in its most common form here.

My biggest hang up has always remained that I just don't think that establishing the facts of HBD should have much effect on public policy besides immigration. We have the people inside of the country that we have. We can do some amount of voluntary eugenics under a libertarian/liberal regime, but even changing my view to agree with the common HBD consensus wouldn't really change anything about how I think society should be organized. I had already priced in that some people are naturally going to be more violent, or stupid, and I still think we should treat them as individuals and let them rise or fall on the basis of their own merits.

We have the people inside of the country that we have.

Yes, you do. United States demographics are in a fail-state currently. It's sink or swim. Swimming might be what Trump campaigned on. But ultimately I think there's too many millstones around the neck of the great United States to stay swimming. Trump is failing. He will be replaced by Newsome.

We can do some amount of voluntary eugenics under a libertarian/liberal regime

You don't have a libertarian regime, you have a carceral surveillance state designed to exalt the proletariat of the world at gun point. From a justice point of view, I bet I could find 10 sentences handed out today alone that are more unjust than a hundred sterilizations of a hundred criminals each with rap sheets a mile long and a dozen baby-mommas.

wouldn't really change anything about how I think society should be organized. I had already priced in that some people are naturally going to be more violent, or stupid, and I still think we should treat them as individuals and let them rise or fall on the basis of their own merits.

I agree with you, I just think we need a state that values beauty, truth, and human improvement over equality, safety, and comfortable lies. And this implies an aristocracy and a massive social reorganization.

My preference as a heterodox libertarian would be for a race blind system that actually punished people where appropriate. If that means a higher percentage of black people end up in prison, so be it. So yes, I like the theoretical idea of race-blind liberalism, more or less.

This is my preference as well as a leftist liberal. One major problem is that anyone who has this opinion of "so be it" is deemed to be ideologically indistinguishable from Nathan Bedford Forrest by mainstream liberals who disproportionately influence public conversation about this, if not actual public policy. I haven't been able to figure out a way to fix this.

Mandate low-income subsidized rental housing preferentially for blacks who are reintegrating to society after prison parole in all leftist liberal communities. When there is white liberal flight from the area, keep expanding the program to the new areas they are escaping to. Fund the program with local property taxes. Call it an expansion of Section 8 housing vouchers.

Either we will have very rehabilitated black parolees, or we will have a change in liberal opinion on race blind systems.

This proposal is silly, since you're already taking people who have been selected for a particular trait and putting them in a particular place. Let me put it to you, do you think there would be much white flight if you instead selected for blacks with relatively high SAT/ACT scores or who had Bachelor's degrees?

Even if that group is a smaller one, I think you must understand on some level that there are good eggs and bad eggs, even in a highly crime-prone group like that.

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