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We know the common cliche of a guy (or girl) who's "the brain" at their school but has a major crisis when they find out they're merely average compared to everyone else when they start university. I'm curious how many folks here were nothing special in elementary and high school but went on to achieve something substantial academically?
I did mostly decently in school but was never anywhere close to a top tier student. Barely got into the high school I wanted, ie. the one with the shortest distance from my home (Finnish high school entrance is determined by your grades in 9th year). Had to settle for my second choice in university (EE) because I couldn't get in to study CS (and the actually hard to get in programs would have been right out). I went on to publish a couple of semi-influential papers in a subfield and AFAIK my professor still considers me one of his star students even though I never ended up doing a PhD (and let me tell you it's really fucking weird to keep receiving fan mail about a publication for a full decade from random people who've gone to the effort of figuring out your twice changed email address just for a single message).
I thought school was a monumental waste of time and hated nearly every minute of it. Now that I'm an adult, I'm even more miffed at all the people around me who tried to gaslight me into thinking it wasn't. I was absolutely fuckin' right about that.
Compulsory education is a repulsive mockery of genuine scholarship. I hate the people who defile the noble legacy of academia with this metric-chasing midwittery.
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