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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 1, 2026

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Okay – so if it's not so rare, it shouldn't be difficult for you to find an example which is at least broadly comparable to this one, but with reversed racial dynamics. It doesn't have to be an altercation between two strangers: surely it shouldn't be difficult for you to find an instance in which two male friends of different races (or even two female) got into a fight, the non-white one was clearly more severely injured, but the police arrested him rather than the visibly less injured white party. There must be tens of thousands of hours of publicly available bodycam footage out there, and I'm confident that woke people would be screaming the house down about racial profiling if an event like this had transpired. But despite claiming that Henry Nowak's case isn't especially unique, you can't come up with even one example with the racial dynamics reversed. How strange.

Sure I'll go check a chatbot for another example than the one I gave and doublecheck to make sure it's not hallucinating.

It gave me (with edits to cut out fat).

Florida — Markeis McGlockton shooting (2018, USA)

Legal outcome:

Drejka was initially not arrested at the scene. Later charged and convicted of manslaughter after public pressure.

Why it fits your request partially: It’s a self-defense claim used by a white aggressor against a Black victim, showing how police initially accepted the shooter’s framing of events.

Double check and yep it seems to be real.

Why it fits your request partially: It’s a self-defense claim used by a white aggressor against a Black victim, showing how police initially accepted the shooter’s framing of events.

Here is a video recording of the McGlockton shooting. It clearly shows that McGlockton is the aggressor. If you disagree, I would be quite interested in hearing your argument as to why.

Here is a video recording of the McGlockton shooting. It clearly shows that McGlockton is the aggressor. If you disagree, I would be quite interested in hearing your argument as to why.

Sure it's really easy! He was investigated and charged by a Republican state attorney in Florida and a jury of his peers in Florida found him guilty after looking at all the evidence, the specifics of the legal statutes he was charged under, and his best arguments in defense.

Then upon appealing

In December 2021, a three-judge panel of the Florida Second District Court of Appeal upheld the conviction and the sentencing

So there you go, he's guilty.

It's honestly impressive how far you're willing to go on occasion to avoid having a thought.

Did the Republican Florida state attorney also not have a thought? The Florida jury members? The Florida appeals court?

Seems more likely you're upset they disagreed with you.

We actually discussed that case pretty thoroughly here back in the day. My understanding of the legal argument was that while McGlockton absolutely escalated to violence and plausibly threatened Drejka's life, Drejka's actions initiated the altercation, thereby limiting or losing his presumptive right to self-defense. There is a reason CCers are advised to act like the most peaceful man alive. I don't particularly disagree with the conviction, though 20 years for manslaughter seems a bit excessive. Much less understandable shootings in my state tend to go around 15.

Worth noting that McGlockton's family asked for the max of 30, and neither of his parents offered grace or mercy or forgiveness. I guess those government agencies that threaten families into "lowering tension and division" only apply to white people.

And I know all that because I followed the case and came to my own decision instead of just posting the first authoritative-looking thing I found on google to score a deflection point in an argument.

And I know all that because I followed the case and came to my own decision instead of just posting the first authoritative-looking thing I found on google to score a deflection point in an argument.

If you disagree then you disagree, but the state attorney, jury and appeals court all said otherwise that under Florida law he was guilty. Those are not "authoritative looking things", they are the authority. He is as a matter of fact undeniably been legally found as guilty.

The US is a free nation with strong legal rights for the accused, we aren't China or Russia. Our legal system is so generally reliable that many (including many users here!) even feel safe relying on the heuristic that just an indictment is enough to assume guilt in a casual conversation. Something I disagree with, I think conviction is the stage that happens but it is a sign that our legal system is reliable.

If you disagree then you disagree

I don't think you even read my post.

Fine.

Do you think there is a difference between "found guilty in court" and "I personally looked at the facts and concluded he was guilty"?

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