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Culture War Roundup for the week of February 20, 2023

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Sure. But unless you introduce literal sex slavery, you can downgrade the economic conditions for women all you like and still not be able to force them into "I have to marry the first guy that asks me and have six kids which he will have very little interaction with since he'll be busy with his career". Why do you think prostitution got started in the first place? Make it hard for women to get legitimate jobs, and the sex trade will flourish because Mr. Husband and Father with wifie at home looking after the six kids wants something different, something that won't be kid number seven, and all the tricks that his wife who married him straight out of high school doesn't know or doesn't want to do.

Maybe women now do have ridiculous standards. But so do men. The entire problem here is women acting like men act in the sexual marketplace. Don't like it? Well, this is why society used to be all about encouraging marriage. Are we laughing at the Victorians for being prudes now, or can we afford to laugh at them?

Do you seriously claim that is how prostitution got started?

Maybe women now do have ridiculous standards. But so do men.

Women's marriage standards are "six feet, six figures, six inches." Men's marriage standards are "teenage virgin". These are not the same. Every woman was a teenage virgin once (modulo the few who got broken in as lolis). Most men never meet the three sixes. There isn't a possible world where most women get what they want (becoming the exclusive wife of a top man); there is a possible world where most men get what they want, and we lived in it from the abolition of polygamy until the sexual revolution.

Never forget what they took from you.

Men's marriage standards are "teenage virgin".

With DD boobs and who is a slut whore who will perform any sexual act he asks for, at the same time as being a teenage virgin. There are unrealistic expectations on both sides.

Those are preferences, not standards. Yes, obviously, every man would prefer a 10/10 supermodel with huge tits who will act like a lady in the streets and a whore in the sheets and never ask for commitment (or, better yet, two of them), but most are perfectly happy to marry the 6/10 girl next door as long as she is still young and virginal. Whereas women would rather be booty call #3 on Chad's phonebook than marry an average beta provider nice guy, and spend their teens and twenties doing just that.

From "The Archetypal Modern Woman" by Free Notherner:

So, in a nutshell, Tracy Clark-Flory is the the stereotypical, nay, archetypical, modern woman. She fucks uncountable alphas, ignoring the beta who likes her, throughout her years of youth and prettiness. She realizes how empty it all is, but only once the wall approaches and the good times are coming to an end, so she uses the last of her fading feminine charms to husband-up the barely tolerable beta.

And from The Dreaded Jim's Gab:

The reason women are marrying late is that as they lose their looks and their eggs dry up, they fall off the bottom of mister one in thirty’s booty call list, then they fall off the bottom of mister one in twenty’s booty call list, then they fall off the bottom of mister one in ten’s booty call list, then they will reluctantly marry mister average, and hate him for it.

Those are preferences, not standards. Yes, obviously, every man would prefer a 10/10 supermodel with huge tits who will act like a lady in the streets and a whore in the sheets and never ask for commitment (or, better yet, two of them), but most are perfectly happy to marry the 6/10 girl next door as long as she is still young and virginal.

This brings to mind something I heard from some podcast by 2 women a long time ago. I forget what podcast and who, but the women would sometimes judge men's fuckability/marriageability using a score system, with the scores being 1 or 0. This is in contrast to the near-universal score system of 1-10 that straight men tend to assign to women. Obviously no one knows for sure, but I was told by a woman that the 1/0 scoring system is much more in line with how women in general tend to judge men. The sense that I get is that this is broadly true, and if we were to try to convert one scale to the other, that the bar for reaching a "1" in the former scale would roughly correspond to 8.5-9 in the other scale.

Red Scare podcast?

I think that was the one.

I never proposed reducing womens economic prospects. I proposed to stop artificially inflating it. The major recepients of economically non productive higher education degrees are women. Those women majority fields are also overlap with fields that suffer from a lack of rigour. A psychology and an Electrical Engineering BSc are not created equal.

Also men dont have ridiculous standards, the top percentile of men might. But the pile of evidence shows that the average woman is equivalent to the 95th percentile man when it comes to dating power.

economically non productive higher education degrees

Did you class them as that when they were majority male?

Yes. I'm a libertarian who believes in HBD. I class just about everything that gets welfare/subsidies as economically nonproductive, if not being against the idea of subsidies altogether.

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