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Culture War Roundup for the week of February 20, 2023

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That clip is debating "should lethal force be used to prevent theft of a car" (in the specific instance of a probably black 13yo).

Note that in the US, using lethal force solely to defend property is generally illegal! Although "In basically all states, you can use nondeadly force to defend your property—and if the thief or vandal responds by threatening you with death or great bodily harm, you can then protect yourself with deadly force."

Also, this isn't motivated primarily by ethnic tribalism, it's motivated by wanting to save the downtrodden from harm, hence the 13yo example.

Also, this isn't motivated primarily by ethnic tribalism, it's motivated by wanting to save the downtrodden from harm, hence the 13yo example.

Come on. And what was the ethnicity of that 13 year old carjacker? When we are discussing 13 year old carjackers in the US, we all know exactly what ethnicity we are talking about. Also, white people aren’t allowed to be considered downtrodden. Too much charity here

Brianna's activism isn't mostly for 'ethnic spoils for my tribe', it's mostly for 'pls stop killing us racists :(((('.

Also, white people aren’t allowed to be considered downtrodden

There's clearly a racial component, but people like brianna are more than happy to complain about police violence, poverty, or the opioid epidemic among poor whites, and try to help them with policy.

I think there's a thing here where, in order to 'fight the left' while still maintaining progressive moral values, people rhetorically twist the left's actions into what the left calls evil - so "white genocide", "black ethnic tribalism", "the left wants us dead", etc, even though those are not accurate. Considering the idea of 'should carjackers be killed', outside the context of 'if they are black' or 'if they are 13', is more useful - and brings up - is every life 'of equal value'? Where does the 'value' of human life come from?

'ethnic spoils for my tribe', it's mostly for 'pls stop killing us racists :(((('.

False claims of being killed, are called "blood libel", when the defamed group is Jews. It is considered not in anyway lesser form of antisemitism than advocating for a Jewish quota.

This claim is a particularly absurd, as it inverts of the reality of interracial murder: there more Black-on-white murders each year, than white-on-Black.

people rhetorically twist the left's actions into what the left calls evil

Not twist, apply to all groups equally, instead of picking and choosing which races getting persecuted counts as "racism".

There's a difference between the claim being incorrect, and the claim being an accurate description of why brianna and liberals do what they do. They aren't motivated by ethnic spoils! They're motivated by a desire to stop poor, oppressed, forced-into-crime-by-poverty-and-racism black people from being killed.

Isn't being able to rob cars without risking getting shot a form of ethnic spoils?

If shooting a car-robber makes one a criminal, what should be the appropriate punishment for such criminals according to Briahna? Restorative justice? Immediate cashless bail? Benefits like in Richmond CA?

I think the implication is that Brianna being black is a main driver of her support, like, if she was born Indian or White, or if she was Black but hispanics were the primary "poor race forced into crime by socioeconomic factors" group, she wouldn't make a big deal about it. But when we see Brianna's white friends, or harvard-educated friends, be similarly outraged about BLACK BABIES being killed, that doesn't work? What does the word 'ethnic spoils' mean? I'd expect it to either imply a person is 'nepotistically' attempting to help their co-ethnics (falsified by black wokes being about as mad as white wokes), or that the wokes are giving 'spoils' to an ethnic group in a direct, political-machine like exchange for support (but 90% of blacks aren't criminals, this works for welfare but not 'no kill black kids').

If shooting a car-robber makes one a criminal, what should be the appropriate punishment for such criminals according to Briahna? Restorative justice? Immediate cashless bail? Benefits like in Richmond CA?

sure, libs are hypocritical and dumb, that doesn't mean their motivations are 'ethnic spoils'

I don't remember the exact quote, but she makes a point that joyriding is a common, and rather innocuous activity.

I doubt that a white liberal would claim that.

I saw similar claims from black twitter users that a cop should not have shot a black teenager(?) that was actively engaged in stabbing another teenager(?) because knife-fighting is a rather common and harmless activity that young people engage in. I doubt that this is a viewpoint that makes white people comfortable.

The way American media presented it was by cutting the bodycam video at the point where you can see the black perp dropping the knife. If they thought that knife-fighting was a harmless past-time that would not turn down their sheepish viewership from supporting BLM, why did they cut it?

My understanding of the white support of BLM is that they have a poor understanding of the actual violence cops have to deal with in the US. If they are advocating for violent criminals to be straight up released, they are not asking for that in their own neighborhood.

Here's an example

But when we see Brianna's white friends, or harvard-educated friends, be similarly outraged about BLACK BABIES being killed, that doesn't work?

They're insulated from black violence. Sure they'd love to see fewer black babies harmed, in a vacuum, until these black babies are literally holding them at gunpoint, then they'll demand the police, or the federal marshalls

Federal Judge Susan Dlott wrote the book on racial profiling in 2002.

“There’s three black men with guns at our house,” Dlott told a 911 operator after she escaped the home invasion and ran to her neighbor’s house one mile away.

That’s Racial Profiling 101: Identifying the criminals by race, as if that had something to do with it.

Some of these people don't see themselves as white, and see themselves as on the same side as the blacks, which is why they are demanding ethnic spoils. Demanding ethnic spoils for another tribe is performative, a form of Law of Jante, but for the blacks like Briahna, it is straight up 'taking what's ours'.

Not that all blacks necessarily believe that, but that's a commonly observed sentiment, and it's not like American culture in general provides any sort of pushback against the idea that 'blacks are owed everything'.

I don't remember the exact quote, but she makes a point that joyriding is a common, and rather innocuous activity.

I doubt that a white liberal would claim that.

I wasn't able to find any examples of white (or black, aside from a journal article from 1990) people defending joyriding, so I can't really test this directly. But ... how is this different from when white liberals defend homeless drug users, petty thieves, or black criminals who are victims of police brutality? Combine that with relaxed approaches to accuracy and mistakes in casual speech, and it's well within distribution.

The way American media presented it was by cutting the bodycam video at the point where you can see the black perp dropping the knife. If they thought that knife-fighting was a harmless past-time that would not turn down their sheepish viewership from supporting BLM, why did they cut it?

you're mixing together several groups of people and motivations, and finding a contradiction in it. but they aren't unified! "The media" and "white liberals, generally" are different - someone (as some 60s-80s gay rights activists did) who believes that pedo rights are a part of LGBT rights can still suppress the pedo part of LGBT activism to aim for mainstream palatability. Dishonest editing attempts to play to the public's values, not the values of your team. Even then, 'a black person claiming police shouldn't intervene in knife fights because they're common and relatively harmless' could be race-specific without brianna's attitudes being race specific. And even if it wasn't race-specific, that doesn't mean all liberals (and therefore 'the media') believe it, just that some do as part of the broader tendency i'm arguing for.

To be clear, there is some attitude of 'racial solidarity' among some blacks that opposes policing or law enforcement on blacks, and supports things like welfare, on the grounds of opposing 'them predating on us' / police brutality / racism / 'snitching'. But that isn't the only or main contributor to blm support among blacks, and isn't even close to significant for brianna specifically (again, graduated from harvard law, co-hosted a left-wing podcasts with "Virgil Texas").

As a harsher contrast to the characterization of white and black motivation, consider the weather underground - here we have white people participating in black power bombings! Along with black people! How does this fit into the 'radical black progressivism is black ethnic tribalism'? If it quacks like a duck, probably it's a duck - but if the pigs and goats are quacking too, it's worth checking.

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