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I am simply trying to understand the pro trans position. So far, everyone's responses have pretty much confirmed what I already strongly suspected: That it's a bunch of ridiculous nonsense on the level of astrology, supported by silly word games.
Anyway, I take it that you decline to answer my question?
Apologies to the woke, but I think they are retarded. One of the reasons why they are retarded is because the woke framing has a bunch of inconsistent nonsense (which is what I think you are noticing and complaining about) that obscures underlying phenomena.
Transpeople make more sense under non-woke thinking than under woke. Woke people say all kinds of stuff about sex and gender, but a non-woke person will usually feel that men and women have some form of biological differences (say: trucks vs. dolls) in thinking and other factors that gets spat out as "gender" by society.
If someone is born with a more or less male brain and but is in a female body then you have a mismatch.
It would make sense that this is rare, it would also make sense that it happens on occasion, we get all kinds of variations in people and while this is probably evolutionary disadvantageous it doesn't seem nearly as damaging to reproductive fitness as gayness.
All of this I said before so where are you getting tripped up? If your problem is that you don't think trans people exist at all that you are likely just being disgruntled and reactive to the woke - gay people clearly exist, you see all kinds of case and news reports of bizarre shit in the population, why not this one?
If your problem is woke word games then who cares, that ideology says all kinds of nonsense that doesn't really explain anything and doesn't usefully related to anything in the world (or at least I believe so).
That may be so, but I started this thread to try to understand the arguments underlying the pro-trans position. Anyone in this thread, regardless of their stance, who hides their position from me (as you have) is not helpful. So I think we are done.
I have at no point hidden my position from you. I've pointed out that woke framing is unnecessary and obscures the underlying reality of trans people, I've been quite consistent in this.
If what you are seeking is for people to defend the weakest form of the argument for the existence of trans people then....why are you doing that?
If what you are looking for is for people to specifically defend woke gender ideology then why the heck are you doing that? Especially here of all places.
You absolutely have. I presented a fair summary, corrected it after you objected, and asked if it was a reasonable summary of your position. Rather than answering my question, you simply said the following:
(And I am screenshotting the whole exchange so that if you edit your response and any lurkers think I am misrepresenting things, feel free to message me and I will send a screenshot.)
In any event, I am not going to argue with you over whether you hid your position. You plainly did and any further discussion is a waste of time.
Feel free to have the last word, I am not going to read or respond.
The list of people you bait like this and then proceed to disingenuously JAQ at before declaring you're blocking them continues to grow. This entire thread seems to be little more than an attempt to bait people and "win" a fight that exists in your own head.
You've been warned before about this kind of engagement. It is not productive discourse. You can have opinions, you can have arguments, but you cannot come here just because you want to satisfy some kind of "I totally got you, sucker!" argument fetish.
Banned for two days this time. Ban lengths will increase if you do not amend your mode of interaction.
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Uhhhhhhhhh okay.
I guess if you want to go aggro over my asking you for what you were conversationally looking for then that's your prerogative.
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EDIT: This user apparently blocked me for this line of inquiry. By motte standards of things this didn't really seem that heated to me so if anyone reading has a better theory of mind on the whole thing please DM me, thanks.
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