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Wellness Wednesday for February 22, 2023

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I don’t like asking for random internet strangers for real life advice but I am going through a serious relationship problem and I really need some perspectives from people who don’t know me or my partner.

We are both mid-20s, together for quite a while, living together as well and starting out with decent careers as expats in . We are from very different cultural backgrounds (I am Turkish, she is Latina) but I always felt like we had good communication channels in English and I also speak her language. I am happy and she is too as far as I know. Actively having talks about future and children etc.

Now the issue. When we first met, there was a night out when we both got very drunk. My usual reaction to getting very drunk is to usually throw up, experience diarrhoea, be very uncomfortable for a while and swear I will never drink again. Never done something really embarrassing or regretful on alcohol. Turns out her reaction to getting very drunk is to basically have a full on personality change into a horrible bitch (her description), do very risky things, black out, pass out somewhere with no memory of anything that happened last night.

I was ready to never see this girl after that night but somehow I got convinced that she was genuinely regretful and this would never happen again. Meanwhile I know that her teenage years can basically be summed up as having constant mental problems and repeatedly doing things like this, fucking up her family relationships and academics until getting her shit together some years before we met.

Fast forward many years of never thinking about this stuff, last night on a small Friday evening drinks with her colleagues she has somehow done exactly the same thing and managed to drink herself to blackout drunk. I spent a horrible night thinking she might be dead or seriously injured or passed out in cold outside running around the city with some friends trying to figure out where she might be, and eventually the police found her on the sidewalk with plenty bruises and brought her home in an ambulance. Some of her things are missing and we will need to make sure she wasn’t assaulted or anything like that.

I am lost. We had a short talk in the morning where I made clear the relationship is over if she ever drinks alcohol again. Now she is sleeping and I cannot shake off this feeling that I am making a horrible mistake by not ending it here and now and I will come to regret this. On the other hand obviously I really don’t want to break up with the girl that I see as the love of my life when she is so vulnerable.

I can’t stop thinking that this bipolar—ish behaviour under influence and regular blackouts is indicative of a deeper mental problem that might come out in full force later in our life. Or that some parts of this stuff is hereditary and we will end up with horrible teenagers in 20 years constantly on the brink of drug addiction or whatever. I don’t know if these things make sense or if I am exaggerating.

My mind is in shambles and I don’t want to share this with friends or family because I don’t want her to be labelled as alcoholic or mental. I know in my Turkish friend and family circles this sort of behaviour would be seen entirely beyond the pale unacceptable. Maybe they have a point. I would appreciate any anecdote or perspective or even some medical research on the things I worry about.

We had a short talk in the morning where I made clear the relationship is over if she ever drinks alcohol again.

If this is genuinely how you feel, that one additional incident would end your relationship, you should probably break up with her right now. "First the man takes a drink, then the drink takes a drink, then the drink takes the man." Once one begins drinking, it often becomes difficult to modulate appropriately. It is unrealistic to expect to marry a woman with an alcohol problem in a society where alcohol is common and available, whether that problem is primarily addictive or that use would lead to blackout, and expect to go through life never having a single problem. Odds are that she will at some point do this again. You can probably prevent it from being a serious problem, hopefully make sure she is safe, but to expect her to never touch alcohol again as a professional in America is probably unrealistic. Odds are she will drink again, it's just a question of frequency.

That said, given your overall description, I don't think you should or need to break up. You're upset right now, I've been there, but give it a few days and see if you still feel the same way. An issue once every four years isn't ideal but can probably be handled, you can maybe make sure she doesn't drink in ways that could put her in danger. Think hard about it, no partner comes with zero downsides or issues. I have a deliriously happy marriage, but there have been things (perhaps not as bad) that I could quite easily have called hard-red-lines and dumped her over.

I agree with your analysis the most. It might be reasonable to draw a fairly firm line that OP views getting black-out drunk as a very serious problem, but even then it should be expected that at least once every ~5-10 it could plausibly happen. If it's truly unacceptable, continuing the relationship is a waste of time. If the benefits of the relationship outweigh that, then continuing the relationship is worth it.