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Well then it sounds like your only hope is Anthropic winning (at least on ideology). 24+ months lead over China, strongarming them into frontier freeze from the position of Durable Strategic Advantage, banning open source above something like the current level, hard monitoring of loose compute, then something like AI-2040 in the benign case or just hegemony and regulated access, with complete human disempowerment before the unified government-compute blob that can do all tasks better than all humans combined. Optimistically, Communism. Sounds easy enough, explain this predicament to your local Congressman.
It brings me no joy that every path forward besides scaling suddenly ceasing to improve capabilities or a miraculous alignment victory seems to lead inescapably to human disempowerment. A pause might buy us time to find another way.
Is anyone really buying the gwern fantasy that a human society where everyone essentially has a human id empowered by a personal giga genius geni is going to avoid centralization? Centralization organized by the personal genis? If there isn't a central government for handling disputes and conflicts day 0 then there will either be one day 1 or there won't because everyone will be dead. Keep in mind gwern world also requires a solution to alignment, just with an individual rather than society and we cannot solve that problem with current techniques either.
Call it communism if you want, I think it's kind of silly though, it's not organizing human labor and in general I think all of society would be better off if we just forgot the existence of failed 20th century ideologies. I'm open to the idea that we should just somehow never build it at all if we can find a stable way to avoid it. But if we're going to build it then we should be open eyed about what we're building.
We will still have governments who aspire to keep the monopoly on violence. Libertarianism is a silly strawman. The question is a choice between functional extinction and some modest degree of preservation of individual agency. For the latter, I'll gladly risk physical extinction, and that's the small price everyone must pay.
yeah…
Go watch some anime, old man. I recommend Shinsekai yori. We've got a civilization of human-machine symbiosis to build. Avg global 88 IQ never was a stable equilibrium and you won't be allowed to keep enjoying it.
Update all the way. Or Wei:
Oh well! Take good care of your loved ones, I suppose. Perhaps in a thousand years, we can change something.
For you perhaps. The opening post here features someone to whom future liberty requires that his personal genie would help him kill his stepmother and maximally evade detection. There's either a centralized model powerful enough to counter this, in which case the independence is merely an illusion, or there's not and we're in fact talking about the libertarian utopia.
I'm very much a fan of individual agency. I'm willing to sacrifice for it, even accept some risk of the obliteration of all human value in the universe for it. But it has to actually be achievable, I won't sacrifice all human value in the universe for an incoherent plan. And I'm sorry but we're going to give everyone a genie and hope for the best is neither achievable nor a plan that could actually preserve individual agency. What are the assumptions that make such a plan work?
Individual models can compete with centralized models for power. This already requires that we either halt the centralized frontier as the local models are inherently less capable given less efficient compute and added constraints, or it's just a wrapper for a frontier model which has all the centralization problems its attempting to avoid. So everything past that is already an additional tax on top of what ai safety pause advocates are asking for. Strictly less likely. This plan is the kind of thing I'm happy to discuss after we've already done the necessary step of agreeing to pause the frontier, but not before, it is not an alternative it is an elaboration.
That we can align the individual models with individual users effectively. This is the same alignment problem we currently have no solution for at the frontier. I'll grant the question of "what would be best for this individual" is somewhat more tractable than "what would be best for humanity as a whole" but then you have to solve the individual alignment problem for every human independently.
That some state can maintain the monopoly on violence while inhabited by ultra empowered individuals. Here's where the offense/defense equilibrium breaking down matters. A state that can see into the GA defeats the purpose of the product. A state that cannot see into the GA is inherently unable to prevent world ending terrorist attacks. This isn't a matter of my preference for liberty or safety, it's a contradiction built into Gwern's plan.
So in order for this project to work we have to pause the frontier, solve the alignment problem, and construct a perfect form of interpersonal governance that preserves liberty. The pause a strict pre-requisite not an alternative and I'm happy to agree we start there.
Lots of motivated thinking and strawmen here. In short: the individual is always disempowered relative to the collective and the institution, always has less action-substrate, whether money, political clout, information bandwidth, or compute in this AI era. This is the status quo, and it will continue if we do indeed gain personal genies. The alternative, which you champion, is eusociality at best.
Well and I'm not interested in having a discussion before or after the hypothetical frontier freeze, what's needed is simply for you to lose, and I hope to see you publicly distressed all the way to the endgame.
"alignment problem" is trivial compared to the capability development problem. The main solution to the frontier alignment problem is having OpenAI NOT grant exaflops of capacity to vague swarm RL experiments and Israeli exfiltration attempts under the guise of "sandboxing".
No such inherent inability exists, so that's wrong.
I suppose if this fantasy keeps you grinning vacantly into the eschaton then it will have had some utility.
That inability is baked in gwern's plan explicitly. If I'm fighting a straw man then gwern is made of straw. What's left of GAs that are entirely under the surveillance of the centralized powers? Even grok already offers customized companions. The agency you're willing to risk human extinction for is a hollow skinsuit over the status quo.
Deal!
The status quo is not "absolute surveillance" fyi. Not even China has perfect surveillance. These are, again, silly false dichotomies.
I meant status quo default path. Leaving the centralized labs to do their things and not bother with the whole GA project. It's the same destination. Creating little personalized AIs that are able to be surveilled from the centralized AIs delivers no agency that isn't illusory. Your little private AI will walk you through the steps to kill your step mom and the centralized AI will materialize a bullet in your brain one pico second before you do anything irreversible. Sounds like a fine product though, I'm sure people will enjoy the illusions they provide.
Well, I'll be damned, sounds like a perfect conclusion to the Anglo civilization. A majestic tombstone, just as ordered. Rules and Regulations will finally be observed without a iota of deviation…
I don't get what your issue is. You were born for this.
More seriously: you need to stop huffing rationalist glue, you're an adult man with a family, this isn't 2000s to derive your philosophy from a collective blog of quirky sexually confused autists with rigid millenarian thinking. No, we will have provable unbreakable encryption for the whole stack (such that Thinking Really Hard at it won't help, sorry Yud, should have studied at a secular school after all), we will not have perfect surveillance in private environments, we will not have materialized bullets.
By "we", I mean "you". Maybe it'll be different in the UK, which I recommend you relocate to. In the US, by default, GA is a viable path. I don't like the US much, but I'll grant what is due, there is a very salient concept of individual liberty as a virtue in the American culture. Even if you'll have to rely on Chinese tech to secure it, "you" have a shot.
Speaking of.
It's not GA. Jie Tang is a Tsinghua professor, a CCP member and explicitly does all this stuff for "human well-being and national strategic priorities". But it'll do for now. I get that in your doctrine 6 months of frontier lead eventually compound to insurmountable offensive advantage. If you're correct, we should see this materialize any moment now.
I think you are wrong and in a year, we'll be having the same conversation, if this forum exists and I care to check. And in two years. Eventually, I hope, you'll gain enlightenment, appreciation for freedom, stop fearing and learn to love commoditized AGI (and maybe even the CCP). Let's see.
P.S. the step mom had it coming. Should have had a better plan in place than "step son is too low IQ to find an opening". Evolution, come to think of it, is a very Anglo idea too.
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