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There's a perception in the US that Americans are in a new Cold War, now with China. I'm curious about how they perceive their standing in it. Pulling ahead, like in Raegan's time? Sputnik Moment?

But mainly, I want to hear from Shakes. At the end of June 2026, in another discussion about America Winning the Iran War, I told @Shakes that I'll be returning to his post in which he claimed:

America is building an economy in space. We have rockets that catch themselves in the air and wifi where there are no cell towers. We revolutionized energy, we export energy now. We are leading the AI superrace. We still have the strongest navy and the strongest planes in the world. Europe is falling behind. China can't catch up. We are building a next-generation tech stack the entire world will rely on and nobody else is close to catching up. It's an American century.

Some updates since then.

First, a recap: in December 2025, the Chinese private launch provider LandSpace attempted a launch and recovery of their methalox powered medium class launch vehicle Zhuque-3 ("Vermillion Bird"), which is very much like Falcon 9 if you don't look at the details (I think it's what Falcon would have been if it were designed in 2020s). The launch and orbital insertion went well, the recovery… not quite, which prompted these kinds of headlines and understandable complacency in some circles.
On July 10th 2026, China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology (for reference, known as the "First Academy", founded by the exiled communist Qian Xuesen, the co-founder of Jet Propulsion Laboratory which then became the core of NASA) has successfully landed the first stage of their medium class launch vehicle Long March-10B on a sea platform, using a novel net capture mechanism, thus making China the second nation with the capability to reuse first stages of orbital class vehicles, and the only one whose national space agency can do that. There has been commentary to the effect that it's cope for the fact that China can't into precise landing, that you won't have the net capture infrastructure on Mars/Moon/whatever, and that this is a nothingburger and further testament to their backwardness. On August 19th ie today, LandSpace has done this in a more traditional SpaceX manner, with ZQ-3 Y-2 landing on the ground pad. LandSpace was founded in 2015, and ZQ-3 had only been announced in late 2023 – the same year they had put the first methalox rocket into orbit. This, hilariously, puts them technically ahead of SpaceX for the second time. LandSpace is working on a full flow staged combustion methalox engine too, and it's reasonably mature; technologically it's about on par with Raptor 2. Given the track record so far, it's reasonable to say they will have a Starship class vehicle within 5 years. There are multiple similar projects being executed in parallel, both private and state-owned, eg Long March 9. It seems implausible in the extreme that China will find it hard to scale up the production of rocket engines (after all, they do make more WS-15s than F135s now, judging by J-20 vs F35 commission rate), steel tubes (come on) or concrete launch pads (…come on, really), or land permits (lol). So I find it likely that in a fairly short order they can match SpaceX (and thus the US and the world, because SpaceX is a near-monopolist now) in annual mass to orbit if they so wish. With Blue Origin's recent disaster and anklebiters like Rocketlab not doing anything interesting, it appears inevitable that the space race is just SpaceX vs China.

On July 16th, the private startup Moonshot AI has unveiled Kimi K3, the 2.8T, 104B active multimodal MoE, with very innovative architecture and ability to execute on long-horizon self-improvement-related tasks such as chip design or ML research/engineering, delivering performance close to the best American public models, solidly exceeding the previous domestic champion GLM 5.2. Right now it scores 60 on Artificial Analysis, 1 point behind Grok 4.6, and 2-3 behind Opus 5, Fable 5 and GPT 5.6 Sol. (GLM 5.2 reached 53).
Also on Jul 16th, Chinese memory company CXMT completed its IPO subscription. Currently it's worth around $500B, underpinned by its central role in supplying DRAM chips to Chinese (and soon global) industry, including AI. They target 30% global market share by 2030. This is doable, given what I know about the velocity of upstream tool supply chain in China.
On July 18th, during the World Artificial Intelligence Conference in Shanghai, Huawei has demonstrated their Atlas 950 SuperPoD, boasting of the largest scale-up domain in systems for training advanced AI models (yes larger than anything Nvidia ships right now, and this is more important than raw FLOPS as we continue to increase the parameter count). You might be interested in this writeup on Huawei's design philosophy, it's pretty special and promises to compensate for their lack of advanced lithography. In short, their thesis is that the performance comes not so much from Moore's law as from minimization of latency across the entire architecture from transistor to cluster level, and their idea of a solution is 3D-native chip design for multi-layer logic, with very precise (1.5 µm currently, <1µm scheduled, well ahead of the competition) wafer-on-wafer stacking and the first chips demonstrating its viability (mobile Kirin SoCs) coming out in September. Multiple other companies, such as Alibaba, have also shown supernode-based designs, including one absolutely bonkers system from Oriental Computing that uses 14nm chips; as Jensen says, lithographic process is overrated compared to design, so I'm bullish on this line. At the opening ceremony, Xi Jinping delivered a pretty impressive speech on Chinese strategy with regard to AI, committing to support open source and international collaboration.
Since then we've learned of multiple 100K GPU class cluster projects in China (Sugon, completed, Alibaba token factory apparently as well, unclear what's up with Zhipu's 1GW cluster; DeepSeek will also have gigawatt-class systems in Ulanqab, Inner Mongolia, as well as their own chips). These should be sufficient to design and train 10T models, ie comparable to the alleged size of Mythos Preview (and larger than the deployed Mythos/Fable; I am not privy to these details, though). Ryan Fedasuyk of Georgetown estimates that «No matter how we slice the data, we find China is well on its way to producing large numbers of AI accelerators».
On Jul 31st, DeepSeek has deployed and open sourced V4-Flash-0731, getting performance around GLM 5.2 (and much higher on some hard evals like ARC-AGI-2) at a ludicrously low price and parameter count, doing even better than GPT 5.6 Luna after the much-hyped 80% price cut. The situation with DeepSeek is a bit ambiguous, it's not clear if they're flailing (the subsequent Pro was barely any better, their harness project is insanely ambitious but clearly not even half-done); but it speaks to the fact that the Chinese tech ecosystem is now very large and dense and nobody can be champion for long. On Aug 14th, Zhipu has responded to Kimi with GLM 5.3 which is on par with K3 at a fraction of the cost and scale; one of their priorities has been cyberdefense (and thus cyberoffense) capability, plainly driven by concerns around Mythos/Fable. They'll release the weights in <2 weeks, as did Kimi, as did Alibaba Qwen with their 2.4T 95B MoE that's roughly in the same ballpark. The CEO of Zhipu, Jie Tang, is a professor at Tsinghua, and thus essentially a state official, a CCP member who regularly contributes to People's Daily, so we can consider him speaking for the Chinese policy (Xi's speech has much the same tenor). His philosophy is roughly as follows:

AGI is not the intelligence of a single genius. It is the aggregate of all human intelligence. It should be capable of creating original knowledge on the level of the theory of relativity. That is the only standard by which we measure whether the true summit has been reached.
From the very beginning, Zhipu established a guiding principle: AI must serve human well-being and national strategic priorities. Frontier intelligence should not belong only to a select few, nor should access to it be withdrawn at any moment by a small group of rule-makers. It should be open, usable, and buildable—and it should serve every developer. This does not conflict with “Touch High.” Rather, the two are complementary sides of the same strategy. With one hand, we reach upward to challenge the limits of intelligence. With the other, we build roads downward, making the most advanced capabilities as open and broadly accessible as possible. The heights we reach belong to all humanity, and the roads we build belong to everyone.

As an aside, on Jun 29 it became known that Meituan (a food delivery company) had trained a 1.6T 50B MoE on previous generation Chinese chips, almost certainly Ascend 910Bs. It went under the radar because the model isn't that good, but it sets a lower bound on what can be done going forward, by more competent actors, with more advanced hardware. Today, the globally dominant Hangzhou humanoid/quadruped robot maker Unitree also went public, and is now worth about $50B, ahead of the fraudulent American company FigureAI with $39B and no publicly sold robots to show for it. They clearly have the best hardware at the moment and unmatched development velocity.

I could go on. It's been a rather eventful period. But these are, I think, the most interesting and strategically significant domains: AI, hardware for AI, hardware for manufacturing AI hardware, robotics, and space.
Shakes, do you think China can't catch up?

Your timing is perfect because I was having this argument this weekend with someone who claimed to be a mutual of both of us (a mutual mutual if you will).

Overall I have a lot of respect for the Chinese and their systems, I spent a lot of time in China in a former life (还能懂一点中文), and I think they might have the best food on Earth. China's progress is very serious and I've come to accept that almost nobody in the English language knows what they're talking about with China, so it's not usually even worth getting into. But I also felt, after my time in China, that the time I spent learning Mandarin was a "waste" in that China is not going to take over the world.

I still believe, fundamentally, that the 21st Century is an American century and I don't think it's really close.

My reasons get into some theories about industrial society, but let me knock out a few other points first:

  • Recent Chinese advances in re-usable rocket tech are impressive.
  • America and China are the only two powers playing at building the full tech stack required to maintain true industrial sovereignty.
  • Most of the gloating (or contempt) comes from third-party commentariat who are neither Chinese nor American. It actually strikes me as ridiculous for, say, a Balkanoid or a Venezuelan to cheer American decline. Cultures that can't build rockets, cultures that can't truly be sovereign, debating passionately who is to be master. They don't really get a say.

In fact, this gets to the heart of a point I consider very important: Most Chinese and most Americans, also, are not participating in industrial sovereignty. It is not the case that America has an entrepreneurial culture and China has an engineering culture. I think it is more accurate to say that America has entrepreneurial cultures (sub-cultures) and China has engineering cultures. We can draw the lines however we like -- Shenzhen, Beijing, Texas, Silicon Valley, Shanghai, New York, Seoul, Tokyo, Taiwan, Arizona, etc. etc. But fundamentally the engineers inventing the future are not just expressions of national forces. They are particular individuals and factories and networks.

What I mean is that I view policies and incremental technical advances as only marginally important. The prime mover is genius, and then, a culture that rewards it.

And it is the American system, overall, that is more tolerant of genius, eccentricity, fault, the great man.


In anticipation that we would continue this argument at some point I spent a few weeks a few months ago reading all the books on space development I could find (until I got bored).

I had wanted to profile some of the players and establish a pattern. It goes something like this:

  • Space X and Elon Musk: Falcon 1 -> Falcon 9 -> Starship, Starlink, multi-billion dollar business invented out of air. Elon was an eccentric autist raised in a dysfunctional family environment in South Africa, moved to Silicon Valley, struck it rich on Paypal, decided, essentially, on a whim, to invest in space, almost lost it all, doubled down, almost lost it all again, doubled down, doubled down, incredible improbable success, private rockets reaching orbit, Tesla, the story is famous, Elon is the richest man in the world and invented modern space.

  • Rocket Lab: Peter Beck was a young mechanic in southern New Zealand who never finished college, obsessively started working on rocket engines in his backyard and somehow, improbably, incredibly, turned that into a rocket company capable of reaching orbit. As the company started reaching milestones it had to integrate into the American economy to receive funding and talent which also went hand-in-hand with working for the American military. The company's Electron rockets (picking up the business model abandoned by SpaceX when they jumped from Falcon 1 to Falcon 9) are, essentially, the product of one improbable genius who was rewarded at every milestone with money and power.

  • Ames Research Center: Ames is one of the major NASA labs, located in Silicon Valley, a remnant of an earlier era when the American government was at the center of Space. NASA became bloated with bureaucracy and procedure over the course of the 20th Century, but Ames is interesting because of one man, former Ames director General Simon "Pete" Worden. His historical claim to fame is probably convincing Reagan of the importance of building what was called the "Star Wars" system. (This was seen as impossibly impractical at the time but is basically the basis now of Trump's Golden Dome system.) Worden was constantly stymied by the bureaucracy but worked to turn Ames into a connector between NASA and Silicon Valley, which would spawn a new generation of "Pete's Kids" playing at running next-generation space companies. I liked Worden's remark that the military is mostly for corporate suits but keeps a few genuine oddballs around in case of genuine emergencies, and one day he looked up and realized he was one of those oddballs!

  • Planet Labs: Former NASA scientists (some of "Pete's kids") got together to build build satellites, got interested in CubeSats, realized that the specialized satelite companies were dinosaurs and they could probably make small-scale satellites an order of magnitude cheaper by using the same off-the-shelf components from an iPhone. They succeeded and have been able to build one of the largest fleets of satellites in space.

  • LandSpace: In 2014, the Chinese government, realizing the growing importance of space, issued Document 60 under the Development and Reform Commission, which opened up the Chinese space sector to private sector capital. Financier Zhang Changwu took advantage of the opportunity and began pitching LandSpace not only to private investors but to municipal governments. With capital and backing from the state, Zhang was able to hire many of the best engineers in China and, so far, the decisions they have made have worked out better and faster than those of many of their competitors.

  • Chinese Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology: Facing pressure from SpaceX, the Chinese government concluded to compete in re-usable rocket technology, in order to meet China's need to build out its 10,000-strong GuoWang satellite network. The project, considered a high priority by the Chinese state, has received enormous support and was able to acquire some of the best engineers in the country. In part by reverse-engineering SpaceX, in part by using SpaceX as an example, in part by making decisions different from SpaceX uniquely suited to Chinese conditions, CALVT was recently able to launch a re-usable rocket and is looking to begin ramping up their productions to meet important state goals.

I could go on, but this was the point in my own reading where I got bored and I imagine the reader is too. I think the point here is obvious (and I'm not trying to BLAST my conclusion in every line): the Western space industry has advanced through the vision of eccentric geniuses; the Chinese space industry has advanced through the high directives of the state, in accordance with the national goals, national pride, etc. etc.

This was in effect the thesis of Peter Thiel's Zero to One, that it is more difficult to create genuinely new technologies than it is to take existing ones and scale them up. Not to deny the Chinese anything, not to deny them their engineering prowess and creativity under trade war constraints.

But also: what does it mean for China to "catch up"? They study the hardest and train the most engineers and then they go build the most rockets and they win? Yes, yes, well done Slytherin, well done Slytherin... HOWEVER --

When does China start to exhibit the originality of Zero to One? Because it's not enough for them to master what the Americans have already invented. That's enough to maintain a novel technological stack and maintain Industrial Sovereignty, but when it comes to overtaking America... SpaceX built re-usable rockets ten years ago, and sure, China is catching up fast and is less than ten years behind, but it's not as though SpaceX is standing still in place either...


A few months ago I read Dan Wang's 2025 book "Breakneck," which is about China's rapid extraordinary growth. Actually I found most of it was a criticism of the Chinese system -- these kinds of books are really just human interest stories in my experience. China builds bridges, they're really good at that for reasons I'll dumb down for the general reader which reminds me of this really good bowl of noodles I ate in Guizhou. etc. etc. Actually I liked it quite a bit and am being unfair to summarize which I also did on my twitter but nobody cares about that etc. etc.

The point being, well, let me go on.

The Chinese state has been very good at building things. Bridges and highways and trains, cement and steel tubes and now robots and rockets. This is obviously a huge feat and deserves much praise and understanding, because clearly so few countries in the world are capable of doing anything close to what China is doing. But it comes with a cost.

Wang's chapters on the One Child Policy and Covid are, I think, devestating. They totally dismantle the myth of the competent Chinese state. It sounds good, I think, to have your state run by engineers who can build things and to give that state total power over society. Mostly, in order to run a successful state, you do have to care for the people and so you have to grow immense quantities of food, give them meaningful jobs and vacations, well-run schools, promotions, clean air, etc. But the, occasionally, the power you give this "The Engineering State" warps in on itself in strange and disturbing ways.

Wang recounts how, for example, Corona almost destroyed Shanghai. It starts off so nice, we have an all-powerful "Engineering State," they can reach into society and extract all sorts of efficiencies Western Democracies can't, we just lock people down and achieve Zero Covid and everyone wins. And that works for a while. It's harder to travel and some people get locked up in camps, but the city can stay open with vegetable markets and normal business in a way America didn't. And that works for a while. Until it doesn't. One day a few cases pop up in Shanghai and the covid tests are inherently half-broken and you have to put a city of 20 million people under lockdown. It's an epistemological problem. The same engineering tools that gave you power are incapable of solving life's deepest problems. The Covid tests are flawed, every time you take one you run a small risk of being sent to quarantine. The city has to shut down and nobody can get food and so you have to start rationing but even the system that brings food runs the risk of producing more Covid so a bureaucrat decides to lock up even the truckers bringing the food in. Pets get killed, some families start to starve. And it sounds like a temporal problem, maybe the Chinese government screwed it up but that doesn't say anything about their industrial policy, aren't these unrelated problems? But they're deeply related. The same systems that promoted engineers to build highways also reward bureaucrats chasing impossible zeroes. What happens when a problem can't be solved by adding more efficiency and engineering? What happens when the numbers are wrong or the measures are actually impossible to read? What happens when the most important things cant' be ground out and studied by engineers learning all the right answers in schools?

I want to come back to that. I will also add here that the One Child Policy was even more destructive, and that it will have a much more immediate and obvious impact on China's medium-term ability to threaten the West in any significant way.

In another of Wang's chapters, he details some of the Chinese diaspora spread out across Asia and the West. By a Shakesian reverse-logic, I think that diaspora actually benefits the CCP more than it hurts it, because it puts networks of Chinese citizens with one-foot-in-one-foot-out everywhere in the world. However, I think there's another important implication here, which is that a lot of China's most talented do not feel rewarded in the Chinese system. It sounds great to live in a world run by competent engineers who can actually build things and produce efficient outcomes. But what happens when they decide that it's not efficient to placate you? What happens when you want to invent something the engineers can't measure? Can't understand?

It seems, demonstrably, that many Chinese move to the West for exactly this reason. And there are many plenty smart enough who are rewarded fairly with money and status and national pride. But can they be rewarded with liberty? Can they be rewarded with safety from the caprices of the CCP? This might sound like a cliche schlock argument but I don't mean it that way at all: clearly, the American system attracts far more talent than the Chinese system. For obvious reasons.

It's great that China can reinvent things America invented first. It's great that they can achieve supremacy in e.g. electric batteries, after everybody decides that this is good and mainly a problem of technical working-out.

Ok now, what happens when China needs to invent something new? To not just go from One to Many but from Zero to One? What would have happened if a Chinese entrepreneur invented the internet, and the CCP feared the social repercussions? Could China have invented the internet? The iPhone? AI? It's easy to say that China can achieve supremacy in biomedicine, they can become powerful curing diseases. But what happens when someone invents a cure for pregnancy or AIDs? What happens when the high bureaucrat decides that these inventions enable degeneracy and Western decadence and are to be suppressed? (These are toy examples really, China isn't that socially conservative in fact, although note again that this is because the West invented modern values and China merely decides the pace at which it will integrate them.)

Because this has happened in recent Chinese history an awful lot: China's private sector builds tech companies or media behemoths or fashion or art, then the state decides that the billionaires are getting too uppity and it squashes them so it can retrench on expertise in building rockets and trains. This is not actually a system that can achieve world-dominance. It can be excellent in many things. But it will never have the same deep capital that the West has, because it destroys capital. It will never have the same talent that the West has, because it can't reward it. The Chinese system is still fundamentally incomplete.


So I'm willing to grant that the Space Race is really just China vs. SpaceX, which means that the Space Race is really just China vs. Elon. Let me consider what that really means.

The Chinese system looks the much more impressive. They can build schools and engineers, they can do it as massive scale, they can efficiently reroute the entire economy of China to support national goals. They can take their smart men and direct them away from frivolities like plastic surgery and social media algorithms and direct them toward material science and hard math. They can reward efficient bureaucrats and promote only the best. They still suffer the same corruption and succession problems of any human society, but they don't have to deal with the AOCs rising to the top. Space is important, so they'll build a whole system about Space, appoint engineers to work on efficient rocket fuels, cone designs, iterate on landing pad designs, allocate land, train children in the right fields from a young age, etc. etc. etc. And Elon will die some day or hit a bottleneck and the Chinese system can continue indefinitely. It's inevitable that they will catch up and win.

But one man is actually more important than all that. Basically, I think Elon is worth more than all of China. Demonstrably. Because he can go from zero to one. We can only talk about the Chinese catching up in terms that Elon invented. Elon invented reusable rockets. Elon invented Starlink. Elon invented private companies that can go to space at all.

And America's space system was in a bit of a shambles before Elon, and it's possible or even likely that happen after him, and maybe China will "catch up" in this particular narrow sense. Reversion to the mean. But there will be other Elons. Before Elon it was Bezos and Steve Jobs and Zuckerberg. After Elon it will be Dario or Sam or Aschenbrenner. They will invent whole new industries and new categories and China will send scientists to study the problem and copy the right answers and grind out all the implications after the breakthrough is done. But they will never have their share of the breakthroughs, because they can't, they constitutionally can't, it's the epistemological hole in their entire system. They can't build something unless they can measure it, they can't measure it if it hasn't been created, and they can't create it because there are no rewards for someone who might do anything that fundamentally changes the world. Because anything that so changes the world could change the CCP.

The West does not have this problem. The West can afford to reward geniuses with almost unlimited power. And that's really all that matters. Because this isn't really a battle between America and China, in the abstract sense. Most Americans and most Chinese will have nothing to do with it. Because at the frontiers of human excellence it is not entire nations that matter but a few specific networks of singular men. Everything else is just wrapping paper and wordslop around these facts.

You might be interested in this writeup on Huawei's design philosophy, it's pretty special and promises to compensate for their lack of advanced lithography. In short, their thesis is that the performance comes not so much from Moore's law as from minimization of latency across the entire architecture from transistor to cluster level, and their idea of a solution is 3D-native chip design for multi-layer logic, with very precise (1.5 µm currently, <1µm scheduled, well ahead of the competition) wafer-on-wafer stacking and the first chips demonstrating its viability (mobile Kirin SoCs) coming out in September.

Thank you, this was very interesting. What I got out of this is that Huawei was able to optimize incredible efficiency out of old systems by eliminating huge abstraction layers that generally come with the ecosystem. But I'm not sure how sustainable this is (probably some of the answers I would need would be classified). For one thing, it's relatively easy to gain in efficiency at the start but it's much harder to maintain over time, what happens when Huawei's architecture diverges so much from standard that it becomes more and more difficult to hire engineers who can understand it. If it is easy enough (AI does everything now), there's nothing stopping Western firms from doing the same. And if Western companies aren't doing the same, it's because they're genuinely working on bigger stages of the problem. Huawei is budgeting, OpenAI is getting a raise.

I appreciate the gesture of goodwill, but frankly it's still a lot of dreck. Let me just nitpick at one detail first:

blah blah Musk

Noted.

Rocket Lab…

There is no need for a niche between Falcon 1 and Falcon 9. Rocket Lab can just as well be understood to be a low-energy fast follower whose research program has hit a wall. Gushing poetic about the "improbable genius" who started 9 years before LandSpace, in a far richer and more advanced aerospace bloc, and is yet to make anything half as impressive as ZQ-3 is a bit over the top. They operate with incomparably greater resources than LandSpace. Beck has 2600 employees on LandSpace's 1200. Rocket Lab announced Neutron back in 2021 yet won't be flying until early 2027; ZQ-3 went from an announcement to a landing in 3 years. Rocket Lab is worth $50B though, which is maybe 10-50 times LandSpace's estimate, so there's that. Rewarded indeed.

Ames Research Center: Ames is one of the major NASA labs, located in Silicon Valley, a remnant of an earlier era when the American government was at the center of Space. NASA became bloated with bureaucracy and procedure over the course of the 20th Century, but Ames is interesting because of one man…

Planet Labs: Former NASA scientists (some of "Pete's kids") got together…

LandSpace: In 2014, the Chinese government, realizing the growing importance of space, issued Document 60 under the Development and Reform Commission, which opened up the Chinese space sector to private sector capital. Financier Zhang Changwu took advantage of the opportunity and began pitching LandSpace not only to private investors but to municipal governments

You lovingly regurgitate this biopic narrative of charismatic American autists, oddballs and mavericks (who are all sucking the government teat, reuse govt R&D or just work for the state directly), and then drop this "the Chynese government", very unsubtly (though I guess subtly enough for you) insinuating the essential difference in where the initiative comes from. Do you honestly not notice what you're doing here? For you, American state is not really a state, it's a background for colorful characters inside and outside it; the Chinese one is a hivemind machine dispatching soulless (but you'll generously grant that they're industrious and clever) workers. This is the most tired trope in how Americans engage with Communists or, really, with any geopolitical adversary, by alienating and dehumanizing them. "Document 60". "Financier Zhang Changwu" – at least not the Imperial Eunuch. He's LandSpace CEO, what does it matter that he worked in finance? LandSpace as such is a non-entity, a creature of external scheming. It's all, shall we say, rather dickless, huh? Not main character coded. So of course your position as the main characters is unassailable. Even if the Chinese can be pretty hardworking.

The Document 60 came out 11/26/2014.. Almost 9 months prior: «The 2nd Session of the 12th National Committee of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC) opened in the Great Hall of the People. Li Yanhong, known as Robin Li, the CEO of the nation’s top search engine Baidu, expresses two proposals on March 4, 2014:

  1. Encourage private enterprises to enter the field of aeronautics to launch rocket and satellite
    2 Suggest the educational resources of some major cities should be openly pushed on the Internet.
    The following are the details of the two proposals:
  2. Encourage private enterprises to enter the field of aeronautics to launch rocket and satellite
    In recent years, China developed rapidly in aerospace industry and made a series of remarkable achievements. These achievements affect and prompt the development of the relevant industry and the whole economy in China. However, compared to the United States, Russia and Europe, China still need improvement in aerospace industry. Be aimed at current situation Robin Li encourages private enterprises to develop, build and launch rockets and satellites for the aerospace industry. In addition, he suggests the cooperation between the private enterprise and national aeronautic companies to promote the development of aerospace industry, to use space technology in other related industries.…»

Far as I know, this proposal by Robin Li is the real start of Chinese private space. We won't know if there was any maverick autist inside the CCP annoyed with the bureaucracy at CASC who had orchestrated this, or helped promote this. They don't get biopics. That's not CCP style. Maybe Netflix could dig something up. I doubt "The Chinese Government" is a hivemind capable of just Realizing This Was An Option without any individual first mover, however. Even the whole priority on industrial sovereignty versus more engagement was nontrivially shaped by input from private citizens, even nobodies. I'll find the receipts when I have the time or inclination.

And also, here's how your story looks from the perspective of LandSpace's chief engineer

Dai Zheng completed his undergraduate and graduate studies at Tsinghua University's School of Aerospace Engineering, and after graduation joined the China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology, deeply involved in the development of the Long March series of launch vehicles. The same year he joined the rocket academy — 2010 — Elon Musk's SpaceX began to accelerate, ushering in a new era of low-cost, reusable commercial spaceflight globally.

Dai Zheng: At that time, I had a feeling: if the national team wasn't meeting this commercial demand, or if the cheaper way to meet it was SpaceX, why couldn't we do this in China? I believed there was definitely demand, and supply would definitely emerge.

Reporter: You joined LandSpace in 2016. Did you go through a long period of deliberation and judgment?

Dai Zheng: I wrestled with it mentally for a long time. I joined a state-owned enterprise right after graduation. I never thought about leaving — I had a lot of emotional attachment there. What I remember vividly is that the night before I decided to submit my resignation letter to my boss, I knew that once I handed it in, there was no turning back. I spread out all the certificates of honor I had received at the unit across my bed. I cried that night — it felt like being reborn. Emotionally, I felt like I was leaving the system. What if the previous generation gets washed up on the beach and ends up failing? There was insecurity, immense anxiety, and uncertainty. But rationally, I felt I should leave.

Do NASA engineers who left for SpaceX feel anything similar about the National Team?

Dai Zheng: The main source was investment from venture capital firms. There were several critical junctures where we worried about money. In 2017 and 2018, the first thing we had to explain to investors was that what we were doing was not illegal — because in people's minds, aerospace is something the state does. Can private companies and individuals do this? Will the state allow it? From another perspective, the Zhuque-1 has historical significance. After the Zhuque-1, in June 2019, the State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense and the Equipment Development Department jointly issued a notice on promoting the standardized and orderly development of commercial spaceflight. After that notice, we no longer had to explain to investors that this was legal — it was compliant with state regulations and state encouragement.

That's some solid state backing, man. The Document 60 sure did a lot of work.

Dai Zheng: I'm often grateful that we were born in a great power, and a manufacturing powerhouse. Take the liquid oxygen-methane engine injector — previously, machining one cost over a thousand yuan. Later, we found a domestic company that used to do precision machining of small parts for the watch industry. This company had since transitioned to doing precision machining for electronics and automotive industries, and they did excellent work. When we gave them our requirements, they found a way to continuously feed material and perform both external machining and drilling on the same equipment in a continuous process — dramatically reducing machining time and bringing the cost down to less than 100 yuan — a tenfold reduction. This country has an immense industrial base — it's like a vast treasure trove. You can always find what you need in it.
Dai Zheng: Our thrust chamber designer, Yuan Yu, was at a crayfish restaurant when he suddenly saw the owner using a particularly large ultrasonic cleaner to wash crayfish. Crayfish are notoriously difficult to clean, and he had a flash of inspiration — could we borrow this equipment? He wasn't sure if it would work, and buying one directly and finding it didn't work would be wasted money.
Dai Zheng: We didn't have much money then, and everyone was thinking about cost savings. The owner said, "If I lend this to you, I can't run my restaurant." Then he asked what they needed it for. Yuan Yu said, "We're building rocket engines — China's first high-thrust liquid oxygen-methane engine." The owner said, "Take it, no rent. Consider it my support for China's space program." I really feel that every Chinese person has a great-power dream in their heart.
… Dai Zheng: This responsibility comes naturally to every Chinese person. It's just like the shop owner who supported us with the crayfish washer — he was willing to sacrifice several days of his restaurant's business. I gradually came to realize that whether you're in the national team or a private company, society's evaluation of a group is never about where they come from or what kind of enterprise they're in. It's about what you're doing now, and whether it's what the country needs. If it's what the country needs, then you are part of the national team.

Is the crayfish anecdote not "American maverick" coded enough? Was a Document 60.1 dispatched to make this happen? Did the Financier Zhang Changwu promise behind the scenes to compensate the crayfish dude for his downtime? (he probably did) You guys make entire soapy movies out of such stuff, with Silicon Valley nerds peering into the monitor autistically, green glow on their faces, and no-bullshit Texas bros grunting homoerotically in rundown sheds, as they forge the American Dream. Maybe in 10 years they'll make a movie about LandSpace too. And about DeepSeek (have you heard of that time Liang Wenfeng drove into the vast emptiness of Tibet and totaled his car? Or the three years he was a shut-in in Chengdu, making money to bootstrap his eventual rise as a quant trader and an AGI maverick?), and about the Unitree CEO guy who's too autistic to learn to spell, and about the Moonshot guy who had everything in the US and came back to build his own thing, a whole bunch of others. And even the national team will get some spotlight: Rear Admiral Ma Weiming is the man who made EMALS on aircraft carriers work (yours is inferior btw, to the point Trump considers scrapping it – maybe too many mavericks for once), because he was just that "autistically" convinced that his scheme will work. Frank Wang will definitely be appreciated more as drones grow more important. You can surely say he didn't invent "the drone". Well, Musk didn't invent "the rocket". No, he didn't. He didn't go from "Zero to one". In fact I'd say this Thielian frame is an insult to what Musk does. He, in my opinion, does a very Chinese thing, just better. He picks up an underrated tech tree and finances it until it works.

Don't misunderstand me: I'm not saying your propaganda is false. I've spoken here in defense of Musk, for instance. These men are real, they do have certain noble ambitions and qualities of character, and championing them and their archetype is a great achievement, merit and source of power for the American nation. It's just very tedious after a lifetime of huffing it without being an imperial citizen. And it's depressing to see this being appropriated as an oversaturated marketable aesthetic by your grifters who chase said deep capital – domestic grifters and, increasingly, imported ones. And it's obnoxious how you are, perhaps without even realizing it, trying to monopolize the status of men. It all comes down to this. One side has eccentric geniuses with Faustian visions, the other "directives of the state".

Dan Wang is a midwit who found a nice simplifying pitch for airport reading. China is, at least for now, ran by Communists first and engineers second (Xi's pipeline is oversaturated with Tsinghua STEM Ph.Ds though so it may change). Why China doesn't make a lot of new categories of products or technologies, and whether stuff like BYD/CATL batteries can be brushed off with "everyone knows this is a matter of technical working out" is a complex question. The biggest part of the answer is "in 2000, they had $1000 GDP per capita, they physically couldn't fuck around with shoveling money at frivolous mavericks until very recently, they didn't have even a fraction of the capital needed".
Still, I agree that any honest answer will be at least somewhat damning to policies of Communists, and perhaps to the Chinese character as such. Liang Wenfeng says that what they lack is confidence to dare. But looking at, for example, the trend in novel biomedical research, I'd say this answer will be of mostly archival significance, whereas "can they catch up" is very salient in a geopolitical sense, and the discourse about caprices of the CCP sounds increasingly quaint. Jack Ma got disciplined for overestimating his leverage and going through with his scammy fintech idea, and a thousand op-eds were written on how the CCP "crushes innovation", and today Jack Ma's company publishes near-frontier models on Huggingface and develops pretty decent AI accelerators. This is all concern trolling. I don't advise the US to adopt their ways, but if you think you've calibrated your arrogance down far enough, I think you're still wrong.

But they will never have their share of the breakthroughs, because they can't, they constitutionally can't, it's the epistemological hole in their entire system. They can't build something unless they can measure it, they can't measure it if it hasn't been created, and they can't create it because there are no rewards for someone who might do anything that fundamentally changes the world. Because anything that so changes the world could change the CCP.

They can, and they will, and the CCP is confident enough in its power to allow it. But more importantly, China is already advanced by singular men, you just don't notice them.

What I got out of this is that Huawei was able to optimize incredible efficiency out of old systems by eliminating huge abstraction layers that generally come with the ecosystem

Yes, it's a "gain in efficiency". That's kind of the whole deal with semiconductors. Of course you find a deflationary way to put it.

And if Western companies aren't doing the same, it's because they're genuinely working on bigger stages of the problem

It's mainly that there isn't a single Western company comparable to Huawei in breadth of relevant expertise. Nvidia does chips, TSMC does manufacturing, ASML does lithography. Huawei is a networking giant plus everything all at once. They can, in fact, simply do some necessary and important things first.

For one thing, it's relatively easy to gain in efficiency at the start but it's much harder to maintain over time, what happens when Huawei's architecture diverges so much from standard that it becomes more and more difficult to hire engineers who can understand it.

I agree that within your paradigm, that would be a huge problem for Huawei. Luckily, Moore is dead and, as per their argument, everyone else will also have to do natively 3D design and logic folding for increasingly large chips, so they'll manage somehow. Just gotta wait to copy from eccentric geniuses who are copying them. In the meantime they'll be busy developing their 3D EDA tools. Whether it'll get a biopic or not, we'll eventually see the product.