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Bloomberg: Goldman Says Gulf Oil Flows Two-Thirds of Prewar Level
A lot of ships are still making the crossing dark with transponders turned off but the trend is clear. Iran’s (supposed) leverage over the strait is basically nullified, oil is passing through despite Iranian proclamations. Independent analysts now agree with what the US government was saying weeks ago, that millions of barrels are passing through the strait under American auspices.
US CENTCOM agrees, putting out this statement that the US has escorted a few thousand ships through the Gulf, carrying through three-quarters of a billion barrels of oil over the past few months.
What changed?
Axios: "That sucker is open": U.S. gains the upper hand in the battle for Hormuz
The US has apparently de-mined the Straits of Hormuz, although, interestingly, there don’t seem to have been many mines in the first place!
It seems as though Iran’s capacities to threaten ship traffic the Strait were severely degraded by US military action, but that Iran was successfully able to convince news reporters and insurance companies that it could target ships.
For instance, Brady Sullivan at CNBC says
Meanwhile, Reuters: Pipelines and ports: Iran war spurs Gulf infrastructure investment
Not only has Iran lost control over the Straits, but Gulf states are building new pipelines to reroute oil around the Straits so that Iran can never threaten them again.
And how does it look inside Iran?
WSJ: Labor Protests and Panic Buying Signal Growing Pressure in Iran
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Some might remember Trump’s infamous comments on this subject some months ago:
The Shakes take: Iran will never toll the straits, Iran will never have nuclear weapons, Trump was right about everything, a lot of people who believed Iranian claims are looking very, increasingly, increasingly!, foolish.
Goldman is extrapolating from Kpler data with the assumption that Kpler’s estimates are artificially low. Goldman is assuming: because Kpler’s estimates from months ago were later revised to be higher, this means that their estimates this week should also be revised higher. This assumption is speculative and IMO unwarranted. Kpler’s data from months ago was revised because AIS-off transfers were relatively new, but since then they have been tracking crossings by other means, like with satellites. Kpler has not announced in any of their publications the belief there is a large amount of dark shipping through the strait which they haven’t been able to count; they can find ships before and after they pass through even if the passing itself is dark. Maybe there is something more happening (how would anyone know but a guy on the shores with binoculars), but it’s telling that Kpler has never mentioned such a prospect to anyone or in any publication, as far as I can tell. If someone has access to the full Goldman report, that would be cool to check why they actually think it’s warranted to revise the Kpler data upward.
Iran and Oman recently agreed in principle on a route in which ships pass through Iranian waters, only barely passing through Omani waters. The Iran-Oman agreement bans US warships. There continues to be ships struck in the strait. Kpler has only been able to confirm transits through Iranian waters recently. The authoritative information is not looking good.
If you are reading @coffee_enjoyer's comment without clicking through on the links, you might have been under the impression that this "authoritative information" was based on a done deal, the details attested to by both sides. In fact it is based on an interview with a member of Iran's foreign ministry about a deal that has not been signed.
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False. The image you posted shows routes published months ago and there is zero evidence that those routes are related current negotiations.
According to Iranian authorities, known for pants on fire lies on countless occasions.
I would like to point out that your link has zero connection with your claim.sorry I got my links mixed upIt’s the same route according to a Bloomberg journalist reporting on Gharibabadi’s interview, and the same graphic was used in Bloomberg reporting as of two days ago, a report written by the same journalist.
And WH refuses to respond about it… to Fox News of all outlets.
Is that even true? Has anyone compared the number of false statements by our President vs by official Iranian channels?
So, who do you think struck the Kuwaiti tanker near Omani waters? The ghost of Ahura Mazda?
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