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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 7, 2026

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or want to revoke civil rights from their opponents?

Yes, it's called "remigration".

If that's what it takes, then to hell with civil rights.

Setting up the false dichotomy of "Allow Germany to become a muslim country or else you're against civilization" is what gave rise to the AfD in the first place. Of course, it was also the winning strategy that let leftists fatally wound Germany and leave it to bleed out, and the AfD is not going to be able to fix that. But for what little it's worth, I have nothing but bile left for it. Someone says that backing the only movement that still wants a Germany for Germans is doing something wrong? Is doing almost everything wrong? I don't care. They're doing one thing right, even if it's too little and too late. Let everything else burn.

What was asked was whether they have policies that restrict civil rights (this justifying the tag of far right) and they do. It was OP who set that as the criteria for far right and so the Afd is far right, given how far out of the Overton Window disenfranchising millions of people who have been citizens for decades or even generations now is.

You could say that the lax border policy is far left and never called such. But that doesn't mean this isn't far right.

So when the left violates civil rights (eg restricts speech via hate speech laws, limits free association) does that make them far right?

I think deporting millions of citizens is more extreme than passing legislation citizens can repeal (in countries that may not have the same tradition of strong free speech protections as America) is different from repealing the right to vote for millions.

In any case, this has already been answered: no, extreme left-wing actions would be far left, if the media was inclined to use that label. The media declining to do so doesn't make them not far left, nor does it change that certain ethnonationalist policies are also far right.

Well, can you change the legislation if talking about the problem is in fact a crime? Seems like an uphill battle.

But more to the point, I think you are not speaking the same language of the right. They see the granted citizenship as an entitlement; not a right. The position on the right is that these immigrants have no real right to be here and that it was government grace and diktat that permitted it. So now we are rescinding that right.

But more to the point, I think you are not speaking the same language of the right. They see the granted citizenship as an entitlement; not a right.

Does anyone think that an ethnically English Aussie granted UK citizenship would fall under the same danger of being deported as a Pakistani for these people? Or an East German from non-German lands? Or do you think that these nationalists would consider it equally legitimate to strip these groups of citizenship?

Of course not. Citizenship is still a right, what's being debated is whether it is a particular ethnic right (for Jews in Israel, Germans in Germany, etc.) and thus any foreigner granted citizenship is not a "real" citizen in the same sense that they are and can be disenfranchised.

Given that naturalization of non-ethnic majority peoples predates these waves of mass migration, it is a redefinition of the term. And it is radical.

Of course it is ethnic. The whole argument is that it is ethnic. And it is only radical if you start the clock forty to fifty years ago. It was the norm well before the.

Except that non-dominant ethnic citizenship was already a thing. Jews, for example, could be citizens. The "branch grafted on the tree of Israel" model was a thing.

What is new now is that people will simply reject the centrality of the "native" ethnic group and the idea that there needs to be a dominant "trunk" of "native" citizens. Instead the claim is that there's no coherent complaint if London is majority non-English because those are citizens. This is not a thing past cultures would accept, but the idea of a non-German/Englishman being a citizen and having the rights of citizens is not new.

In any case, if it's been the case for the entirety of the current iteration of the state in places where the state has fallen and been reconfigured multiple times (Germany) it's still radical.

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