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I know exactly what you mean. Irregardless, some sorts of bad languagisms still grate on my nerves when I read them in the wild, but usually I start using them ironically, and then at some point I realize I'm just using them.
Nice example!
I like messing around with words more in person around my young kids. Along with dad jokes. It's interesting which words they notice as fake and which ones they believe are real.
Heh, glad you were picking up what I was putting down! That one's still ironic usage for me, but others, like conversate, have been instant classics that I've gleefully adopted.
I have seen cromulent used many times on this very forum without comment.
Not all of the modern embiggenings of the lexicon are bad.
I won't say no to the accusation that I only spend time with oldies, at least as far as English speakers, but I find many terms often used online are almost never spoken (except by people who are, perhaps, very often online). Overton Window, Dunbar number, etc. In particular in these virtual pages I regularly encounter terms that seem shibolleth-like. Every culture (even an online culture) develops its own sociolect, I suppose.
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