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The Institute for Justice calls attention to a side-splitting case: If you steal the identity of a dead baby, and successfully maintain the identity theft for thirty years, then do you gain legal ownership of the stolen identity through adverse possession? The appeals panel says no.
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Culture-war-adjacent, but very funny: /mlp/ learns about EU shipping regulations (EPR—Extended Producer Responsibility)
Tentative happy ending
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@cjet79 says: To find a romantic partner, "you need to go somewhere where you can be in the top ten percent of men in the room". Two thoughts occur to me:
It would be pretty hilarious if I were to set up an in-person meetup on the topic of nonconsensual editing and a hot woman were to attend and become smitten with me.
It would be even more hilarious if an actually-hot man with actual credentials in the field (Distributed Proofreading, DocBook, Text Encoding Initiative, etc.) were to attend the same meetup and completely blow me out of the water.
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People whine about how hating split infinitives is unnecessary Romaboo hypercorrection: "I try to not kill" → "tento non necare" → "I try not to kill". But it occurs to me that I have never seen anybody hate (or whine about others' hating) split auxiliary verbs: "I have never killed" → "numquam necavi" → "I never have killed".
Should split auxiliary verbs be judged on a case-by-case basis?
Obviously, in the previous sentence attempting to reunite "should" and "be judged" is totally impossible without dealing fatal damage, since the separation is loadbearing in English.
In "I now have killed", can "now" be considered to apply only to "have", rather than to "killed" or to "have killed"? Does asking this question even make any sense at all?
The dreaded Romaboos can be expected to care in some cases but not in others. "I have now killed" → "num necavi" → "I now have killed", but "I have now been killed" → "sum num necatus".
The formulation in my head was more like "if you think you need to be in the top ten percent of men, go somewhere where you are that".
Meanwhile I'm struggling to come up with healthy married couples I know that met through some variation of that advice.
Far more common are what I'd consider the meeting of averages. An average man in the group matched with an average woman in the group. The top men and women have their pick of all the people and thus don't want to settle or they get caught up in infidelity because of all the choices they have. The bottom people don't date.
One of the best couple producing activities I know of is recreational kick ball leagues. Everyone is usually drinking afterwards. No one is amazing at kickball, and mostly no one sucks either. Everyone is really average. The perfect set of circumstances for tossing status games out the window.
This works remarkably well. I do a lot of theater, and being a straight guy immediately puts me in the top 20% simply by virtue of availability. That last 10% got me my partner of 13 years.
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