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naraburns  nihil supernum  1yr ago (text post)   3312 thread views

Friday Fun Thread for March 3, 2023

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I’m reading about something awful. Namely, SomethingAwful.

They left an indelible mark on internet culture with afaik <50,000 register users. I actually can’t find the number of register users in 2008 so I’m estimating from a bad graph. Compare this to just how many registered users are on Reddit or Tumblr, but how little culture is actually created there (versus shared there).

The forum had a $10 cost of membership and strict standards of posting:

See, since its inception Something Awful was built around strict moderation. Even its $10 entry fee was originally implemented not as a way to make money but as a way to keep problem posters from endlessly re-registering or creating throwaway gimmick accounts.

How strict? Well: Not capitalizing the beginning of a sentence? Probation. No punctuation? Probation. Post a YouTube link without including a description of the video's content? Probation. Not properly rehosting and resizing images? Oh you better believe that's a Probation

Whatever happened to paid forums? They are actually not a bad idea.

Whatever happened to paid forums?

Some Discord instances operate in this fashion; Patreon's infrastructure allows you to automate this in various ways (their bot can restrict the entire instance, or just grant access to specific paid-only channels).

It's my experience that this does generate a high signal-to-noise ratio around whatever the project's topic is, but I've yet to see one not completely ruined by its moderation (the people who run the project tend to treat keeping their jannies in line as a complete afterthought). As usual, fish rots from the head.

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