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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 9, 2026

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Is the Fermi Paradox Debunked?

A new paper is out(https://arxiv.org/pdf/1806.02404) concluding that the Drake equation is poorly designed and humans are most likely alone in the universe:

When we take account of realistic uncertainty, replacing point estimates by probability distributions that reflect current scientific understanding, we find no reason to be highly confident that the galaxy (or observable universe) contains other civilizations, and thus no longer find our observations in conflict with our prior probabilities. We found qualitatively similar results through two different methods: using the authors’ assessments of current scientific knowledge bearing on key parameters, and using the divergent estimates of these parameters in the astrobiology literature as a proxy for current scientific uncertainty.

When we update this prior in light of the Fermi observation, we find a substantial probability that we are alone in our galaxy, and perhaps even in our observable universe (53%–99.6% and 39%–85% respectively). ’Where are they?’ — probably extremely far away, and quite possibly beyond the cosmological horizon and forever unreachable.

TDLR the Drake equation is wrong by dramatically overrating the probability of other intelligent life. We are more likely to be alone than we thought, and my take on this has been for a while that if life was common we'd have experimentally demonstrated abiogenesis by now. But this in turn debunks the great filter arguments people(mainly liberals) make about all sorts of pet issues- the great filter is already behind us.

How can we possibly understand the chances of extra-terrestrial life when we haven't gone out to look for it?

Everyone seems to assume their presence would be obvious to us in the form of visual emissions, Dyson swarms being built. But we don't know what that looks like and cannot really tell a dyson swarm from ordinary interstellar dust that covers a star. We cannot go interstellar to actually check what's happening even a few star systems away, never mind the whole galaxy or observable universe.

There's no way to predict what advanced methods and principles a powerful civilization has access to. Spin up a supercomputer the size of the moon, a particle accelerator that goes all the way around the solar system, run them for a thousand years - I think there would be some major physics advances. Maybe the aliens aren't interested in Dyson Spheres and are doing things with 'dark matter' and 'dark energy' instead. The latter are significantly more important than all the matter we have any understanding of.

It's far too early to estimate the chances of alien civilizations.

You can't plan on reliably detecting an entity much more powerful than you, who you've never knowingly encountered before and have no idea at all what it looks like, purely by looking at 2% of the possible habitat via telescopes with such poor resolution that they struggle to even find planets past a certain range, let alone discerning much about them. And even our knowledge of the planets is very weak. Only certain young, massive exoplanets are obvious to us, we can crudely guess the chemical composition of some nearby gas giants. No hypothesis can rest upon such weak investigative ability.

https://science.nasa.gov/exoplanets/

An exoplanet is any planet beyond our solar system. Most of them orbit other stars, but some free-floating exoplanets, called rogue planets, are untethered to any star. We’ve confirmed more than 6,000 exoplanets, out of the billions that we believe exist.

We've found about one in a million planets we expect to exist!

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