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Very disappointing result. But what else can we expect? He lost big time, and now he's trying to save 2028 and get as much done on immigration as he can with the new hostile legislative environment. I doubt he ever cared that much about immigration in the first place.
If you voted Democrat or stayed home because of Iran and Israel, I hope you're happy, because you're getting the bathwater with the baby. Amnesty, Part 3 will go swimmingly, I'm sure. Hopefully he's just talking.
If this gets us amnesty, then amnesty was already going to happen eventually anyway. This is also massive cuck behavior. Letting them run the country poorly with massive corruption because if you don’t, the Democrats will flood you with immigrants. It’s basically a massive threat to the right to get in line and vote Red no matter who. It’s an abusive relationship.
How about the opposite happens and the Republicans learn they need to be competent, stay out of stupid wars, and not be corrupt criminals so the left can’t gain power? They didn’t lose because chuds stayed home. They lost because normal people thought they did a poor job running the country. They need to be better next time instead of blaming the voters. All these people have to go.
Accelerationism is bad and never works. There isn't some perfect uber-Chad President waiting in the wings to take us to the promised land.
It's not that hard to just vote for the most right wing candidate in every election.
I think the people encouraging "based" right wingers to vote Democrats are probably mostly funded by the left. It's a good bit. And notice how the left wingers would never, ever, even once, encourage someone to stay home or vote for a Republican.
In any case, all problems except demographic change can be fixed. Even communist countries can turn around within a couple decades. Trump will be gone soon enough. But immigration will never be reversed. Other than AI, it is the only issue that really matters.
I didn’t advocate for accelerationism. I advocated in my comment for competent governance. Trump is not competent and does more harm than good. We’re in this position because Trump did a bad job. He is the problem. DeSantis in 2024 would have left us in a much better spot. In a two party system, if the right wing party does a bad job, then the left will take power. That is what happened. Simple as.
Yes, I would also like a competent right wing government and I was a Desantis supporter in 2024. But that choice was not on the ballot.
Your comment implied that it was desirable that the Democrats won, even if that means increasing immigration. That would seem to indicate that either you are a left winger who supports immigration or that you think it's good that the left won to "teach the right a lesson". That latter attitude is indeed a form of accelerationism.
A third interpretation is that you are mostly rightist but believe the Trump administration is so corrupt that even a leftist, open borders Democratic administration is preferable. But are you not considering that the Democrats are also corrupt, in fact much more corrupt in terms of dollars wasted?
My ideal would be Abbott 2032, sacrificial lamb in '28. He's effective, smart, good at politics, and seems to actually care about second order effects. I do not care about demographics as long as me and mine aren't discriminated against- although I have an aesthetic attachment to phenotypical Europeans, we're not going extinct anytime soon and have stabler demographics than any other group.
But that's not going to happen. He lost, and he's in a wheelchair. As an all powerful veep he's plausible. As a powerful domestic policy role he's plausible. I guess it's Desantis.
And that's why you must care about demographics. You'll find that racial tolerance is quite rare among non-Europeans.
While moral universalism is highest and ingroup bias is lowest among Western Europeans, I think that’s a too strong comment. Most African states have quite a diversity of ethnic groups. Most middle eastern states, India, and much of Southeast Asia involves societies where different meaningful ancestry groups coexist. Latin America has very meaningful colorblind cultural currents, and in many cases they are dominant.
I think racial masochism is also a bit complicated since it’s often a mix of genuine outgroup preference with wanting to stick it to “other white people I don’t like.” When blue tribe is muzzled, or is marginal like in many even minimally white Latino countries, race relations are a lot better.
Quite; may God grant us the stability and peace of Africa inshallah.
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