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Is there a wage gap in fraud?
New court documents have revealed how much money each FTX executive received.
Sam Bankman Fried: $2.2 billion
Nishad Singh: $587 million
Gary Wang: $246 million
Caroline Ellison (guess): $6(six) million
I honestly feel bad for her. Forget jail time, that’s barely worth the disgrace brought to her family (who are well-regarded academics). Ryan Salame, who wasn’t even in on the fraud got more than that. The only explanation I can think of is that she was a true believer in the effective altruism thing. If everyone is earning to give, it doesn’t matter how the loot gets split up right? Except everyone else was buying yachts.
Idk, maybe this is just what happens when you never ask for a raise.
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Do the people who insist on separating Jews out into their own group realize how much that hurts white people in the race stats?
If you define (mostly verbal) IQ as the only thing that matters (which is not to say that it doesn't matter at all), then sure. If you emphasize actual achievement with a focus on not short-sightedly screwing yourself over by prioritizing temporary gain over long-term mutual benefit (resulting in your 100th or so expulsion from this or that nation), then White people are hurt very little by it.
Also you're confused. It is Jews who insist on being separated out into their own group. They always have. If Irish people, Italians, etc. were as insistent as Jews about being separated into their own category then they'd be spoken of the same way too, but they're not.
@Gdanning
These wordgames are completely meaningless. Politically active Jews, and I would argue 90% are, are very aware that they are not gentiles. Calling themselves white on a census doesn't change the fact that jews recognize eachother as jews and non-jews as non-jews.
At risk of bringing to much heat into the conversation: Everyone with a brain knows this.
I mean, are there 'white' student groups filled with jews because they see themselves as white? Or are there simply jewish student groups and organizations that exist as jewish for the jews? Unlike that one white student union that got immediately called out as a hategroup, jews have a huge number of organizations and groups that specifically and explicitly work to the interest of jews.
None of those are in any way shape or form confused about what they are. This also bleeds over into why so many Ivy league colleges are filled to the brim with jews. Jews in the past certainly recognized that the 'WASP' controlled colleges had quotas for how many jews were allowed in. They did not recognize any ethnic comradery with the white gentiles that got into Ivy's. Are we to pretend that they now see themselves as kith and kin just as some Ivy's are more jewish than white?
On top of all of that jews purposefully pretend to be white to maliciously express their ethnocentrism and hatred for white people. And when someone leverages this alleged whiteness against them they are very quick to defend themselves saying: 'I'm not white, I'm jewish.' There are thousands of examples.
It's not that jews are an iffy maybe on white or not. They explcitly know they are not white. They explicitly recognize themselves as jewish. And they explicitly utilize the fact that they can pass as white to their own ethnocentric advantage at the cost of the white people that house them. This practice has a history that goes back for more than a century, as documented by Kevin MacDonald.
The heat isn't the problem, the consensus-building language that assumes everyone is on the same page as you and some people are just pretending not to understand you is.
Too much mask slippage there. We give you a lot of leeway for Joo-posting, but when you won't even throw a qualifier in there, you're just waging explicit and literal culture war.
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Dude, gentile doesn’t mean "white." It means "non-Jewish."
This is hilarious for a forum in which every other post is about HBD.
Now you are just being silly.
I know. The point being made was that jews calling themselves 'white' is meaningless when they don't see themselves and being a part of the vast majority of folks that make up the group 'white'. It's rather plainly stated in the second half of the paragraph you cut off: "Calling themselves white on a census doesn't change the fact that jews recognize eachother as jews and non-jews as non-jews." There's no 'white solidarity' there. Hence why pointing out that jews call themselves white on a census is a meaningless wordgame. Jews very obviously see themselves as different from 'whites'.
Why?
I made a strong statement, but considering I just scrolled past the 100th jew claiming to be white whilst talking about how unbearable, insufferable and stupid white people are, in between blood libel about how white people are the source of all evil, just before a tweet shows these very same jews talking about how much they love being jewish, I think it's a completely accurate and justifiable statement to make.
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