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Culture War Roundup for the week of April 10, 2023

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The first two three. What about them doesn't make sense? You tried to push back on one of them a little bit, and he explained why your argument does not address the question.

Well, I'm not doing those things.

And teachers are not, as far as I am aware, doing those things either. (As I said above, to whatever extent either is widespread, I'd be very wrong! Please evidence!). So the 'teachers something something sex' part of my claim wrong.

As for why elementary school students are being taken to drag shows by their parents - that's because the parents think drag shows are cool and awesome and progressive. Which just ... makes sense. It falls in the same category as 'why do some normie dads take 12 year olds to hooters' that various internet people get mad about. Neither are grooming! The first one can be bad without being grooming

I'm just going to echo what @arjin_ferman said here

"Progressives object when we ban it, therefore they are either doing it or, even if not, want to do it" ignores the general inanity of the culture war. If progressives tried to ban "super-child-killing-assault-rifles", conservatives might rightfully object because "super-child-killing-assault-rifles" do not exist, so what's being banned might be normal or useful guns, and at any rate 'assault rifles' and 'kids dying from guns' is not a significant enough issue to care about. Similarly, progressives might believe that 'trans child grooming' is rare, but object to attempts to ban it because they might target 'lgbt sex education for 16 year olds' or 'drag shows in general'. But most of it is just blatantly stupid reactions, like one high school in Rustbelt, Alabama removing a nsfw book from its library and ten stories in the next week about CONSERVATIVE CENSORSHIP. The libs are mad here, and mad for a stupid reason - but there's no real basis for that objection, the one nsfw book in a school library that'd be read by two children total over the next decade plays no role whatsoever in liberal goals, good or evil, it's just incoherent propaganda.

He countered by saying that if it's not happening it shouldn't be an issue to ban it, but progressives do protest the idea of a ban

People in politics aren't acting 'reasonably', you can't make inferences of the form 'reasonably, this shouldn't be an issue, but it is, therefore my (reasonable) opponents do have a deep interest in this', because your opponents aren't reasonable.

Sorry but I'm not buying it. Given the choice between believing you and "my lying eyes", I'm believing my eyes because you seem to be unironically invoking the old Merited Impossibility trope. "It's not happening and it's not going to happen but if it is happening you fuckers deserve it." Forgive me if I find that less than convincing.

And teachers are not, as far as I am aware, doing those things either. (As I said above, to whatever extent either is widespread, I'd be very wrong! Please evidence!).

So first of all, this isn't "his questions not making sense" this is you disagreeing with him on facts. He countered by saying that if it's not happening it shouldn't be an issue to ban it, but progressives do protest the idea of a ban. You countered with the "why are you accusing me of beating my wife" analogy, and he pointed out the analogy is false, it's more like passing a law against domestic abuse, and some group protesting about their rights being attacked. You never gave a response to that.

As to whether or not it's happening, it's not hard to find reports of it happening. You try to counter that by smuggling in "widespread", but whether or not something is widespread is not relevant. As I pointed out in another comment rape and murder are not widespread, should we legalize them?

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