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Those cops have to go home after work, yes?
Like, you're aware that these policemen have lives and families which are not hardened against attacks?
I'm really curious as to what your precedent is for assuming there's not some significant portions of the population that is willing to get froggy even if the cops go full Waco.
Like, Waco fucking happened, that's a precedent here. 4 agents dead, 16 injured in ONE standoff.
That wasn't even a universal confiscation push.
Bluntly, I find your position actively ignores the sheer numbers and actual precedent.
Sure. And your decent, formerly law abiding gun owners will not take advantage of that.
COVID. January 6. Hell, Waco itself; the ATF walked in and made a dog's breakfast of things. The FBI covered for them by burning the place down with most of the Branch Davidians dying in the fire and the rest being prosecuted. Only two men even tried to do anything about that, and they're pretty universally hated.
Maybe not Johnny Boomer who's never been one to rock the boat in his smallish town, but Jimmy Zoomer, who's about 8-12 points to the left of the very mass shooter who inspired this thread on the Political Compass and isn't terribly concerned about his future might.
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