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people on twitter gloating about posting her home address. for getting emotional (not even being racist or any actual american mortal sin) over a bike. you couldn't think of a better psyop to further annihilate race relations
When a user with no prior posting history and the hex code for the color white as his handle shows up posting racially inflamatory shit it's almost certainly a pysop.
Regular user, I just like to make new accounts once I start to get too attached to the previous one and want a clean psychic slate.
I'm very curious who and what exactly you think this psyop is. Tell me the whole story, I especially want to see the Dasepost in response.
Edit since banned: Hlykna (and to a lesser extent Amadan): you've perfectly misinterpreted both this (not posted to be racially inflamatory, more Moloch and classic general culture war; I made a mistake with a thin single layer of sarcasm I thought would be obvious enough to everyone here, I was clearly mistaken and I apologize) and that other comment (which is quite literally the exact opposite of "whining about da joos").
You're only dirty to the degree you dirty yourself. What you're telling me here is that on some level you recognize that your participation is a net negative, and that is why you habitually change your username.
As for the psyop, isn't it obvious? Like @yunyun333 the post seems explicitly designed to undermine race relations, and given the smugness that permeates your post and that the only other comment you've ever made on the motte was whining about "da joos" I think it's reasonable to assume that this is not a coincidence, it's enemy action.
More and more, it seems reality is explicitly designed to do that.
In as much as race-baiting people are part of reality, yes.
Race-baiting people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have been around for decades. WorldStarHipHop has done more for race realism then either of those two hucksters. So who is race-baiting here? The thugs trying to steal the nurse's bike under threat of getting cancelled/fired/beaten? The grifters posting the video claiming "white tears get innocent Scholars killed"?
Just in terms of raw numbers, which category of people do you think is larger?:
a) black people watching this thinking for the first time, "yet another Karen trying to kill black bodies"
or
b) non-black people watching this thinking for the first time, "why do we have to live with these animals?"
I don't think this video converted very many new people to the idea that white women overreacting gets black people killed. That's basically 99% of black people already and is the progressive dogma. I think vastly more people were converted to, or became more sympathetic to, the idea that black people are out of control in the West.
Given that this was posted by blacks, it looks like a massive self-own. The people most harming race relations are these people posting gleeful videos of their own misbehavior. How many of these kind of videos will people see before they decide having blacks around is a terrible idea?:
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1660148662385922049
That's from the same account that shows him entering random people's homes and walking out of the library with books he didn't check out. He's posting that for social status. If this is "race-baiting" it's of the "I'm black and untouchable" kind.
Look at the replies. What percentage are black people saying, "knock this shit off you cretin!"?
Yes, both of those.
Neither. The largest group by far is
c) non-black people "thinking" how horrible this woman is for picking on poor innocent black people, and what a terrible racist she is and how we have to "do better".
I dunno, man. This one had such a short viral-to-debunked cycle that I'm not sure how many left-leaning (but not all-in progressive) normies even saw it. That's who I think makes up the bulk of your category c). I don't think we can include non-black generic lefties because they're going to follow the progressive hive mind regardless of the specifics. Some people still buy the "fine people on both sides" story and "hands up don't shoot" but that isn't the group I'm talking about here.
However, I would be very interested in a serious breakdown of who actually saw this video and where they saw it. All of the twitter (spit) threads I saw were overwhelmingly in blind support of the blacks or exasperated support of the pregnant woman. National Review had news about it and the comments there were not credulous of the "teens." Do you know whether this got posted anywhere normies would see it before the (mostly?) full story came out?
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