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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 5, 2023

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Can someone steelman why “pride” is still necessary? Seems that you can be gay, bi or trans and it’s more than accepted - there’s a huge increase in kids claiming lgbt status so if there’s stigma it’s not apparent anymore. At what point does it make sense to call a moratorium for social movements that have lost their purpose? What are the “victory conditions” for what homophobia is considered no longer a major issue?

Why do the French still need to celebrate the storming of the Bastille? What are the "victory conditions" for monarchism to no longer be considered a major issue? Alternatively, same question for the US's Independence Day and the threat of the British yoke.

If you only want to count civic ritual evolved from an act of defiance the historical object of which has arguably disappeared, the Tea Party movement in the US is a good example. If your answer is that they protested what they saw as modern counterparts of British taxation-without-representation, well, there's your answer for Pride too.

Why do the French still need to celebrate the storming of the Bastille? What are the "victory conditions" for monarchism to no longer be considered a major issue?

There's a major issue, and then there's a major issue. It's unlikely that anyone would be fired for refusing to celebrate the storming of the Bastille.

Do people commonly get fired for privately not celebrating pride (as opposed to insubordination if the company orders them to perform pride-celebrating actions in the name of their company)? Conversely, I imagine that someone boycotting their company's Bastille Day celebrations would be in some amount of trouble (all the more so within the first few decades after the actual storming), and if you worked at one of those companies that gratuitously put "proudly manufactured in the USA" and US flags on their product packaging, would refusing to get involved with any patriotic display when your company does July 4th stuff really be without consequence?

I was thinking more like posting to someplace that you refuse to participate in Bastille day and being cancelled by a mob getting your employer to fire you.

Also, I doubt that the company would have either a Bastille day or July 4 celebration that consists of anything more than "stay home for the day" and which is mandatory.

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