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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 19, 2023

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I know it's beating a dead horse at this point, but this whole Prigozhin situation made one fact crystal clear: American dissident right (and "anti-nato left" by extension) is extremely solipsistic, much more than other factions in American culture war. Just take a look at some of those takes which are prevalent among this crowd

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Essentially, their model of the world looks like: here we are, honest god-abiding Americans, and then there are "elites" — Biden, Hillary, DNC, Podesta, Bill Gates, World Economic Forum. How then do you view something that lies outside your usual experience and ideology? If you are dumb, you deny it altogether:

"Ukraine War is fake, all of it is CGI, Zelensky and Hunter Biden siphon gajillions dollars from American taxpayers to buy mansions in Bahamas"

For those people Ukrainians, Russians, Poles, Finns, Prigozhin, Zaluzhny, Macron, Scholz, ... do not exist.

If you are smarter, you align yourself with perceived enemies of the elites: Putin, Xi, Orban, .... You say things like:

even as someone that is entirely anti-nato to the point I would turncoat in a second if i had a chance to damage the alliance

totally oblivious of cases like this

https://zona.media/online/2023/06/22/sko

being a regular occurrence in Russia, when a girl is sent to prison for putting anti-war slogans on price tags in a shopping mall. Of course they'll have prepared a long list of grievances with "elites" that are intended to persuade you that whatever happens in the US is much worse than repressions in Russia or China. And, sure enough, all of it "glownigger propaganda" anyway.

You might say: "Well, I don't care about anti-Putin Russians, unfortunate pro-Putin Russians who became victims of the regime, neutral Russians, Ukrainians, Uighurs, Tibetans, Taiwanese, ... all I care is that my children don't get castrated and turned into trannies". Fair enough. But then please don't take a high moral ground. You are just as evil as "elites".

Whatever patience I had with American "anti-establishment" right-wingers, it ended. I guess Hanania is the only one I keep reading/listening at this point.

tl;dr Boo Outgroup

This comment is low effort and contributes nothing, and you have a pattern of posting low effort sneers. Knock it off or you won't be posting.

Does the parent comment contribute anything other than “boo outgroup $[nonsense gpt quality restatings of my outgroup is boo]”?

Ok, I will post high effort sneers like the rest of the posters from now on.

If you post sneers, you will be banned.

If you think someone else is posting sneers, report the post.

I did, OP is directly quoting me in that "completely oblivious" section in an obvious low-effort (effort doesn't equate to word count, despite what mods here believe) boo outgroup post. I reported and called him out on it and as is more and more common in the west these days the authorities ignore the crime and go after the person calling it out.

It's a running problem. Someone posts a 5000 word (((Parentheses))) screed on here and you have no idea what to do about it, maybe they get a warning several thread derailments later. Someone calls the poster a schizo moron (which they are) and they're banned.

You and @firmamenti:

People are allowed to disagree with you and say they think your perspective is wrong. It's not a "low effort sneer" to write a long post about why they think you are wrong, even if being quoted and told you're wrong makes you feel bad. It is a low effort sneer to write a one-liner like you did.

A thing that repeatedly happens here is that a rightist will post a tirade about how leftists are wrong and bad, or a leftist will post a tirade about how rightists are wrong and bad. Predictably, leftists will report the former and rightists will report the latter.

These are people who report posts based on vibes and feelings. They'd be fine with the post if the polarities were reversed.

You not liking a post because it criticizes you or your beliefs does not make it a "boo outgroup" post.

(effort doesn't equate to word count, despite what mods here believe)

This is not what the mods here believe.

and as is more and more common in the west these days the authorities ignore the crime and go after the person calling it out.

Yes, yes, we mod the way we do because we're just part of modern Western degeneration. But no, what's happening here is you decided something is a "crime" that wasn't, and you decided therefore the rules don't apply to you.

It's a running problem. Someone posts a 5000 word (((Parentheses))) screed on here and you have no idea what to do about it,

We have lots of ideas what to do about it. We might not act as you would wish us to act.

Someone calls the poster a schizo moron (which they are) and they're banned.

Correct. Don't call people schizo morons.

The outgroup that OP is booing is not my ingroup. It's just annoying to me that these sorts of blatant low-effort LLM-tier posts somehow are allowed when they are very obvious rule violations.

You are right, that outgroup would usually say something about "glownigger psy-ops" or "pro-nafo trannies" instead of LLM ;-)

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LLM-tier posts

Do you mean Large Language Model or LandLord Messiah here? Although I don't suppose I really matters...

Nothing worse than what gets posted on the regular here. Except it might be targeted toward the right vs left