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For the purposes of business, ‘fan’ is someone who consooms a lot of product. The male autist who spends all day discussing deep lore on MawInstallation is not consooming a lot of product doing so. Disney is not making any money from him.
Most Star Wars fans I know who buy merch (Baby Yoda) are women. I would also guess that adult, childless Disney+ subscribers are highly disproportionately women.
They used to. Who else do you think dozens of source books for a Star Wars RPG appeals to? Or dozens, if not hundreds, of books that take the canon seriously? If Disney cared at all about giving those people material they could meaningfully engage with, they'd lap it up like the paypigs they are. They certainly used to, and are more or less the only reason Star Wars had any cultural relevance 20 years after it first came out.
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This is a great point. I consider myself a huge Star Wars fan, but you just made me realize that if you don't count my half of a shared Disney+ subscription, I haven't spent a dime on anything Star Wars related in at least four years. Maybe I don't really have a claim to being the "core audience" anymore...
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