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Wellness Wednesday for July 5, 2023

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I desperately need help training my puppy. We spent over $1,000 on a training course that came complete with a shock collar with a remote, have done group classes, tried reinforcement with treats, tried a clicker, etc. I try and train him at least 10 minutes every day. Nothing works!

He destroys things while we're not there, is incredibly clingy all the time, jumps on us and guests, and barks at the cat. I truly need help - what are some good resources that people have tested with difficult puppies and know work? He's about 1 year old for context.

Edit: More context. He can sit, lay down, roll over, fetch, and is pretty good at coming when he's called. What he really needs help on is 'heel' and 'off' - the latter being similar to 'down' or 'drop it.'

Light pinch and tss helps a ton. The audio-physical relationship the dog makes is quite pronounced, and it's how I got my puppy to stop jumping up so much. Typically, bad behavior for dogs who "seem trained" is them just acting out because they are bored or pent up. My dog does it, so along with a number of unique toys and treats we tend to go outside a lot and run around.

I've found that wooden chew toys (I have a hardened maple stick she really likes to naw on) really help keep her from chewing on wooden furniture. Some minor association training and our chairs, tables and drywall are mostly untouched now (thank God). Also puzzle toys are good, little treat holders help a lot, and just wrestling with the dog and being physically active are very good for the puppy. A lot of it is just making time for the animal so you can bond and play, because otherwise there isn't a point in having her (or him).

Also, don't acknowledge bad behavior, especially in rewarding or tangentially rewarding ways. You, the master, are unconcerned with the moment-to-moment experience of the dog, so stop acting like you are. Always provide good feedback for the dog, and never send mixed or subtle signals. Begging? Don't even acknowledge. Jumping? "Tss" with a pinch "bad dog". Excess energy? Physical toys, encourage good play, immediately stop with bad play. And so on.

There was actually a really funny south park episode about it that I found somewhat useful when Cartman's mom brought in a dog trainer to help her with Eric. https://youtube.com/watch?v=r8eqTFi5eYY (if you're curious. I think it's funny, at least).

The light pinch and tss has been surprisingly effective. I'm impressed. I'll try to report back later after I work with him more.

We already do ignore him, but lord he has the most pitiful cries. It's hard to resist laughing/breaking sometimes!

The light pinch and tss has been surprisingly effective. I'm impressed.

Happy to hear it! I was surprised at how effective it was myself, so I'm happy to share the power of verbal-physical training. Also, if the dog grabs stuff and doesn't let go, the trick to opening their mouth is pressing your thumb on the front of their lower jaw, right behind the front teeth. For whatever reason, dogs can't hold the mouth closed when you press that bottom palette, and it's saved me a number of socks, lol. Don't attempt if the dog is violent, obviously. Also a firm grip around the snout is worth twenty collars.

We already do ignore him, but lord he has the most pitiful cries. It's hard to resist laughing/breaking sometimes!

Perfection is the enemy of good or great, I personally spoil my dog in a number of ways, lol. It's about managing the creature, not controlling it outright (unless you intend for a show dog, which I'm assuming isn't the case). Dogs get better and more well behaved with age, and I think someone else mentioned more dogs lead to some amount of self training. In the same way, your behaviors directly effect the dog's behavior; it's why many dogs seem to be a microcosm of the owner. Just give him/her a number of ways to burn energy in a sanctioned way, like through toys, fetch, walks, etc. Hopefully the behavior becomes more manageable with these strategies and tricks.

I could never train my dogs to not beg, and to be honest I can't bring myself to, they're just too fucking cute when they do it.

At least I've mostly conditioned them to sit expectantly till I'm done eating, because they know I'll save the bones for them.

Or rather, they retain enough of their wolf instincts to target softer prey, like my girlfriend or grandpa, who might melt and sneak them snacks off the dinner table.

At that point I'm scolding and training them more than the dogs haha.

I could never train my dogs to not beg, and to be honest I can't bring myself to, they're just too fucking cute when they do it.

You know, some people don't mind it. I let our dog jump on our couches and beds, and I have a number of blankets strewn around the house she has essentially claimed as her own. I train the begging out because I just don't like being hounded by an animal for food when I already feed her generously. I suppose dogs are a "get what you deserve" sort of deal, lol, and who am I to say your training style is wrong?

Nothing soothes my heart like a big warm dog lying by my feet while I'm relaxing in bed.

I really don't see why more people don't let them on beds and sofas, it doesn't really make all that much of a mess.

When it comes to begging, I don't like when they paw at me and I scold them when they do, but if it's just sitting quietly and looking at me with their big limpid eyes, I see no harm in if. The nudging with their cold hard nose is something I can do without when I'm eating haha.

At that point I'm scolding and training them more than the dogs haha.

Have you tried a light pinch and a tss on them?

In India we don't have the consternation as you Westerners at the idea of giving them a moderately hard smack on the head if they're misbehaving. Well, I might, but I'm exceptionally softhearted when it comes my dogs and even then I can still do if they're being egregiously naughty. I don't think begging is bad enough to warrant it!

(I do think modern stigma around corporal punishment is overblown, be it for dogs or humans)

I was talking about the relatives.

I likely did so when I was a kid, but in this case they trained me out of it and not vice versa.