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Friday Fun Thread for July 7, 2023

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For the frequent posters/bloggers here - what is your relationship with writing? I was reading Freddie DeBoer's fifteen years of writing where he reflects on his journey, and lord it is dark! I have aspirations of becoming at least a part-time blogger, and I do have a small blog, but don't work on it often.

I suppose my question is, do most people hate writing like Freddie after a while, or is he just uniquely crazy? I know there's a trope of mentally disturbed writers....

In my experience (reading guides to writing by successful authors, or listening to interviews on the subject) there are two types of professional writer out there: those who hate writing, and those for whom writing is as easy as breathing.

The first type (the Haters) are people like Freddie DeBoer, Larry Correia, or Roald Dahl. They are more likely to look at writing as a job like any other: it's hard, and it takes commitment and work and discipline if you're going to have any chance of being successful. Dahl would write about how writing was exhausting:

The life of a writer is absolute hell compared with the life of a businessman. The writer has to force himself to work. He has to make his own hours and if he doesn’t go to his desk at all there is nobody to scold him. If he is a writer of fiction he lives in a world of fear. Each new day demands new ideas and he can never be sure whether he is going to come up with them or not. Two hours of writing fiction leaves this particular writer absolutely drained. For those two hours he has been miles away, he has been somewhere else, in a different place with totally different people, and the effort of swimming back into normal surroundings is very great. It is almost a shock. The writer walks out of his workroom in a daze. He wants a drink. He needs it. It happens to be a fact that nearly every writer of fiction in the world drinks more whisky than is good for him. He does it to give himself faith, hope and courage. A person is a fool to become a writer. His only compensation is absolute freedom. He has no master except his own soul, and that, I am sure, is why he does it.

I am in this camp myself: writing is hard to do. I'd rather be doing other things. When it comes time to write, (proper writing, not shooting off a comment on The Motte) I find just about anything else more attractive, like doing the dishes or weeding or finally cleaning out those gutters. For these writers the difficulty of writing is something that must be overcome.

Then there is the second camp (the Breathers) who have no idea why the first type are writers to begin with. This camp includes C. S. Lewis, Andrew Klavan, Scott Alexander, and Isaac Asimov. These are the type of people who, when asked how a young writer can start writing, would reply in either frustration or confusion that if they're not writing already then they're not really writers. Writers write, it's what they do, and it's easy. They couldn't not write if they wanted to. Lewis would hardly ever edit his books, getting them just the way he liked them on the first try. Asimov was one of the most prolific writers on earth, writing over 500 books and scads of short stories, essays, articles, etc. As for Scott:

On the other hand, I know people who want to get good at writing, and make a mighty resolution to write two hundred words a day every day, and then after the first week they find it’s too annoying and give up. These people think I’m amazing, and why shouldn’t they? I’ve written a few hundred to a few thousand words pretty much every day for the past ten years.

But as I’ve said before, this has taken exactly zero willpower. It’s more that I can’t stop even if I want to. Part of that is probably that when I write, I feel really good about having expressed exactly what it was I meant to say. Lots of people read it, they comment, they praise me, I feel good, I’m encouraged to keep writing, and it’s exactly the same virtuous cycle as my brother got from his piano practice.

That's just how it is. I would say the Haters become professional writers because they have ideas they want to share and stories they want to tell and writing, while difficult, is the best way they can express those things. The Breathers become writers because that's just what they are. If they weren't publishing books, they'd be one of those guys who constantly edits Wikipedia.

Funnily enough, I think deBoer would actually identify as a breather, considering he recently published an entire post about how much he hates the "ugh I'm a writer and I hate writing" thing: https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/if-you-dont-like-writing-do-something

I would say that being a significantly above average writer comes to me with minimal effort.

I would also say that becoming the kind of writer I respect a great deal would take serious effort, to the point where if I was writing solely as a hobby, it would become a net negative in terms of enjoyment.

Wow, you're making me real jealous of the Breathers right now. This is a bit depressing as someone who has aspirations of becoming a professional writer, hah.

I think realistically I want to write because yes I have ideas I want to share, but it also seems like one of the few careers I could tolerate long term. Perhaps I need to explore more.

If you're not a Breather, then you'll just need to treat it like a job. As far as jobs go, writing isn't that bad! Beats digging ditches or working retail. You'll just need to go in with that expectation and use some discipline.

Very true. I also love reading, learning, doing research, and feel I have interesting takes. Besides, I enjoy the creative parts of writing, and when I get into the flow of it, it works well.

I'd say the issue is more that I've had creativity and doing work I enjoy like writing beaten out of me because I have so many other demands in my life to juggle. Writing is one of those things I love to do when I have the time and energy, but I very rarely do nowadays. An interesting conundrum.

Do you write anything outside of Motte posts?

I've written a few short stories and I used to have a blog, but over the last few years the only writing I do is commenting like this. I have some hope of doing some more substantial writing when my kids are older, but I don't plan on writing professionally.

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