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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 24, 2023

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They had written plans showing that this is what they were going to do. They've done many protests with the same U-haul, uniforms, and shields and that is exactly what they have done every time. There was no evidence presented that they planned to riot this time in contradiction with every single other protest they have done in the past few years. A jury can get things wrong, you know, especially if the prosecutors and courts are biased against a defendant.

Rousseau's attorney claims that one of the phones which was handed to the FBI (without anybody having seen a warrant apparently) contained footage of the dress rehearsal of the march the day before... you have written plans showing an organized protest, a history of organized protest with the exact same uniform and materials, potential footage of the dress rehearsal of an organized protest... yes, I can say I know they they were not planning to riot and the jury got it wrong.

There was no evidence presented that they planned to riot

So, you have read the trial transcript? Can you provide a link?

A jury can get things wrong,

Yes, but a jury that has seen all the evidence is much more likely to be right than some guy on the internet who hasn't, especially when that person has an obvious bias.

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Yes, but a jury that has seen all the evidence is much more likely to be right than some guy on the internet who hasn't, especially when that person has an obvious bias.

Wasn't part of the controversy the seizing of the phones? Doesn't look like your theory of juries applies to this case at all.

According to the Idaho Tribune, which was OP's original source:

We have previously reported on how the groups cell phones were given to the FBI by Coeur d’Alene Police, pursuant to a Federal Warrant that has not yet been seen by the Police, the defendants, the Judges in the case, and has not been entered into any court records.

The group’s leader, Thomas Rousseau, has alleged in a motion that those phones contain exculpatory evidence showing a “dress rehearsal from the day before” as well as body cam recordings from the day of the arrest.

The Judge granted Rousseau’s motion to compel.

that footage was admitted into evidence, but not shown to the jury

According to the notes referred to and linked to n the article, the relevant parts were apparently indeed shown to the jury:

-video is body cam seventeen minutes long, unedited go pro. Portion shown to jury is only about four minutes long -Plaintiff has seen the PF promo video, ten minutes version. -Judge rules it to be entered as an exhibit but denied letting the jury view it during trial

so, just an edited portion is shown to the jury. Doesn't pass the smell test for me, but it doesn't surprise me anymore.

Right. Because that is how it works: Relevant parts are admitted, and not the irrelevant parts. Also excluded: Portions that are relevant but highly prejudicial. Given who these guys are, it is very, very likely that portions were excluded at the behest of the defense, because they included the defendants using epithets and the like.

Tell me, have the defendants or their attorneys complained that they were not permitted to introduce exculpatory evidence?

Given who these guys are, it is very, very likely that portions were excluded at the behest of the defense, because they included the defendants using epithets and the like.

Objection!, your honor the plaintiff is assuming things not in evidence.

Tell me, have the defendants or their attorneys complained that they were not permitted to introduce exculpatory evidence?

Publicly not that I have seen, privately between the parties involved is another matter.

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