Firstly, I wholeheartedly recommend that you watch the show. Both Yes Minister and the sequel, Yes Prime Minister are amongst the greatest sophisticated satires of all time. The wordplay is excellent. The acting is superlative. It is a very funny show. You can also get the books, they’re nearly as good as a faithful representation of everything that happened in the show and have their own little additions. The very first episode is a little more dull and the pixels are few - those are the only problems with quality. This is one of the BBC’s greatest achievements. I imagine many if not most here have seen Yes Minister but younger people probably haven’t.
Secondly, I think it’s interesting politically.
The premise is that of a fundamentally good-natured, albeit egotistical, indecisive and self-deceiving politician (Jim Hacker), leading the fictitious Department of Administrative Affairs facing constant suppression from the Civil Service (represented by Sir Humphrey Appleby). The bureaucrats nearly always win, assisted by Bernard, Hacker’s Private Secretary who must tread a fine line between serving the interests of the Civil Service and Hacker.
The Civil Service create a system where they get all the power to decide and total freedom from responsibility. They draft all the papers, select all the information that flows through to ministers, listen in on all the telephone calls, excel at creating media crises they can use to extract quid-pro-pro deals. Their goal is to housetrain their ministers, coax them into seeing the Department’s interests as their own interests and act as disposable political shields for any errors. When the Civil Service errs, they want Ministers to pay the price.
They’re characterized as unashamedly corrupt, firmly anti-democratic, anti-meritocratic, self-interested bunglers who appease every interest group at public expense in the name of ‘harmony’ and ‘stability’. Lovable, sympathetic bunglers but bunglers nonetheless. Government spending is, in their minds, symbolic. There is no need for a hospital to actually heal the sick, it is just a nexus where bureaucratic activities can take place. Military spending is to delude the British public into thinking Britain is defended. Education is a method used to keep unemployment statistics down and appease teacher’s unions…
This is all pretty relevant to today’s world IMO.
There’s one rather illuminating episode where Sir Humphrey has to go lay down the law on a local council run by a mad middle-class socialist white woman who threatens to refuse funding to the local police force until they’re 50% black (this episode aired on 7 January 1988). They are initially in total opposition – but there is no true ideological disagreement. Her desires are to ban ‘sexist calendars’ since it’s ‘colonialism against women’, encourage adoption of children by lesbian single mothers since ‘children should not be brought up in an atmosphere of irrational prejudice in favour of heterosexuality’, allow only free-range eggs in her borough for animal rights…
In fact, she’s prepared to allow the breakdown of law and order generally, yet draws the line at allowing true democracy (which is the other plot thread of the episode). Later in the episode she cooperates with Sir Humphrey to squelch a proposal that would make local council elections more democratic, a tactic that would weaken her power. This involved street representatives, voting communities of 200 households and selection of candidates by the whole electorate.
‘Of course they would want our policies if they could understand all the implications. But ordinary voters are simple people… The people don’t always understand what’s good for them.’ Neither she nor Humphrey believe in democracy, they seek to hollow out elections so they can implement their own chosen policies rather than let people decide things for themselves. The episode ends with them in heartfelt agreement, each decrying the other as a great loss for the militant revolution/civil service.
It’s rather prescient for them to characterize the radical left and the bureaucrats as two heads of the same anti-democratic coin, potential allies. I think it shows how little the political climate has changed in over 30 years. I was also reading P. J. O’Rourke’s writing from the late 80’s and 90’s, he identifies eerily contemporary aspects of what we’d now call wokeness, liberalism and so on.
Yes Minister is also a story of asabiyyah, where the superior coordination abilities of the Civil Service let them run rings around the politicians. They’re all of the same Oxbridge class, they can freely cooperate while poor Jim Hacker has no such ability to work with his Cabinet colleagues. Half of the Cabinet are ‘house-trained’ by the Civil Service, assimilated into their worldview. All of them are competing with Hacker for power. Hacker complains in the books that the Private Secretaries and Civil Servants generally have a great grapevine but the Minister’s network is hopeless.
Perhaps the most obsolete part of the show is that the Civil Service they portray is uniformly intelligent white male Oxford graduates who hobnob at the Opera and sneer at those who aren’t fluid in Latin or Greek. There’s one episode where Hacker tries to bring in more women, only to be successfully sabotaged by Sir Humphrey. The show gives the impression that efficient, effective women are much happier working in industry where they get things done as opposed to pushing paper around.
In terms of the writer’s political views, the show seems rather unusual. While seeking more women and less Oxford classicists in the bureaucracy, the writers also seem fairly keen on conscription and the build-up of Britain’s conventional forces, vaguely Euroskeptic. Meanwhile they seem to favour school choice, joke about the excesses of political correctness. The abiding theme is a distrust in the competence of politicians and the alignment of the bureaucracy with British interests.
The show highlights the national decline that took place in the Age of Bureaucracy. The show constantly references British decline. The pound is always plunging, there are issues with inflation and high unemployment. The state-owned national industries are failing, the economy is deteriorating from disastrous to catastrophic. The army is a joke. And yet, the Civil Servants constantly remind Bernard (who has vague leanings towards democracy) that he’s naïve:
“This is the system that made Britain what she is today!”
From their vantage point, Bureaucratic government is great. They get high salaries, inflation-proof pensions, knighthoods and honours, cushy Quango sinecures for when they retire and face no responsibility for their own errors. But for everyone else it’s disastrous – after all Britain is in gross decline throughout the period. That’s the joke they’re making.
In comparison to modern political comedies like The Thick of It or Veep, it’s much less crude. Standards for vulgarity are much lower today than they were. Yes Minister also feels more political, in that it presents actual perpetrators and conspirators behind government dysfunction. While a modern show might show government to be dysfunctional, careening from crisis to crisis, they don’t home in on a reason why things go so badly other than ‘these leaders are really terrible, stupid, malign people’. The plot threads in an episode are all cleaned up nicely by the end, there’s so sense of ‘how can these people possibly stay in government if there are all these endless disasters.’
Some clips of the best parts are here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QurCB1lCHp0&list=PLRAJSUF2MG_wI0MmTPPZOzcuEI85OKXfT
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Great show.
That the show’s politics are a bit eclectic and ultimately converge on some vague anti-establishmentarianism shouldn’t be too much of a surprise, given that it was co-written by a right-winger and a left-winger.
The show's politics are quite typical of British establishment satire (for example, Private Eye magazine). Both creators were upper-middle class and went to good private (public) schools and then Cambridge. One even studied Classics. They're making fun of their peers, it's not outside humor which is, in part, why it's so funny.
A big reason why Veep is less funny than The Thick of It (it's still funny of course) is because both shows were written by the same people, who had personal experience of the kind of people who run Britain but less personal experience with the kind who run America. As a result, eep often seems like a show about how the US government would work if it was run by Brits.
I wonder if you feel the same way about Succession? Also Brit writers & directors who worked on Thick of It, working with American politics but I didn't notice the uncanny valley.
But my not-Americanness biases me.
They deliberately made the patriarch in Succession British and his wife British, so when the Roy children say British things (which I do notice all the time as an American) it makes sense. Succession’s forays into American politics are kind of a spoof, Mencken isn’t the kind of candidate that could ever win an American election (see how much DeSantis is failing) etc. I love the show, but it was clearly meant to be British or at least Australian-British-American as the Murdochs are before HBO requested a US setting.
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Ironically, everybody I’ve met who worked in politics has said Veep is far away the most accurate portrayal of American government.
This matches my experience as well, from the few interactions I've had with actual people in actual politics. However, whenever I hear it, it also tends to have an add-on, that despite that, Veep is still highly inaccurate in multiple ways, with the most stark one being that the characters in Veep are far more competent at their jobs with better put-together lives than their real counterparts in Washington.
Unfortunately likely true haha.
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The fact that neither Hacker (who is chasing headlines) nor Sir Humphrey (who is trying to protect the interests of the senior Civil Service) are actually trying to deliver on an agenda is critical to the way the show works. Giving Hacker recognisable political views would turn Yes Minister into The Thick of It - in the sense that the show would become about why Hacker is chasing headlines rather than doing what he went into politics to do.
Interestingly, there appears to be a real-world parallel - a lot of people (including Dominic Cummings) who have commented on the real-world applicability of Yes Minister have said that a minister who is actually trying to do something can normally find more junior civil servants who want to help them and work around Sir Humphrey, whereas a minister who is chasing headlines will not motivate civil servants to do anything other than chase promotion.
Hacker has some recognisable policies - he creates the first Data Protection act. He's vaguely populist: cut arts spending, funnel to popular things like football; he's in favour of a stronger military. Mostly, of course, he's in favour of Hacker and will go where the wind blows.
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The politicians in The Thick of It don't have policies. I can't think of any strongly partisan policy in the entire show, a lot of the political point is that New Labour were ideologically bankrupt and didn't really stand for anything. The Thick of It's movie (In The Loop) about the Iraq War is about this too. If anything, permanent staff in the Civil Service like Terri come across better than the politicians and SpAds.
The Thick of It isn't really particularly good general political satire. It's specifically satire of New Labour (and to some extent the haphazard opposition to it in the early Cameron years) and its main character is obviously a satire of Alastair Campbell, hence all the jokes about the Scottish Mafia and so on. Iannucci isn't making a political point, whereas Yes Minister does, even though it isn't in itself particularly progressive/conservative in its viewpoint.
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