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Culture War Roundup for the week of August 21, 2023

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Here's what would actually happen:

  1. US Marshalls show up with an arrest warrant for Trump.

  2. State police physically prevent US Marshalls from getting to Trump.

  3. US Marshalls then arrest said state police officers for obstruction of justice under 18 U.S. Code § 1509 using the authority to make probable cause arrests granted to them by 18 U.S. Code § 3053

No, Step 3 doesn't happen, at least not without a direct order from the (political) Director of the Marshals Service. And that order won't be given if the director doesn't think it will be obeyed, US Code or no US Code. And if the marshals think the state police are serious, it won't happen until they have overwhelming force, which brings us back to the Insurrection Act.

The federal government has lots of options besides a direct firefight. Federal courts can issue injunctions against state officials personally when they violate federal law. If the governor blatantly violates an injunction, he can be arrested. Maybe Trump is willing to hide out in a compound for months, but is Greg Abbott willing to do that? Is his security detail loyal enough to him personally to risk being arrested? I doubt it.

The federal government has lots of options besides a direct firefight. Federal courts can issue injunctions against state officials personally when they violate federal law.

Yes, they can issue all the injunctions they want. If the state has already decided to fight, someone has to enforce the injunctions.

If the governor blatantly violates an injunction, he can be arrested.

You think you can have Feds arrest a state governor for a political crime and not escalate a constitutional crisis? Not a chance. A standoff at the governor's mansion or office is not going to result in quiet submission if the governor has already decided to fight (which is the sticking point, but if the state police are refusing to allow the arrest of Trump, you're already there). If they do a snatch-and-grab it's an even worse descent into banana republic (or Eastern European country rhyming with "Prussia") territory.

Constitutional crisis? How the hell is the Federal Government asserting its authority to arrest someone on United States territory for federal crimes a constitutional crisis?

Imagine the political situation in DC if the attempt to execute an arrest warrant on Trump is rebuffed by a state force. Of course Biden would send the troops in. Washington did it. Lincoln did it. Eisenhower did it. It’s standard practice at this point.

Constitutional crisis? How the hell is the Federal Government asserting its authority to arrest someone on United States territory for federal crimes a constitutional crisis?

When that "someone" is a state governor or a current candidate for national office.

Of course Biden would send the troops in.

So you agree; Biden would use the US military to arrest and imprison his opposition, were that opposition to be assisted by a state in resisting non-military Federal forces.

So you agree; Biden would use the US military to arrest and imprison his opposition, were that opposition to be assisted by a state in resisting non-military Federal forces.

I think he’d do it for people who aren’t his political opposition too. If say, Iowa had decided that it really liked crypto scams and gave SBF a full bodyguard detachment of state troopers, I think Biden would do the same thing. You can’t let states start pulling shit like that.

"You can't let [X] start pulling shit like that" is the fundamental logic of escalation that dooms this entire process. If we could agree on what the rules are and what to do when they're broken, and then stick to that, none of this would be necessary.

I kinda thought we did exactly that with the supremacy clause of the constitution.

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