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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 4, 2023

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The argument that the election was inherently flawed because mail-in voting somehow violated the principle of a secret ballot doesn't hold water and is made in bad faith by those who didn't like the outcome in 2020.

I didn't vote for trump and was happy with the 2020 outcome...

This was the first time such a system was used. There was good reason for doing so (covid) but I can understand people being critical of it. Immediately labeling it bad faith is unhelpful. Doing things like censoring statement comparisons from the 2016 and 2020 elections, makes me think they might have a point.

This kind of hubris is going to cost us another election.

I didn't vote for trump and was happy with the 2020 outcome...

I wonder if there is anyone who voted for Biden but thinks the election was stolen against trump

What would this prove aside from the existence of echo chambers?

How about actually engaging with the points someone is trying to make?

There have been multiple polls by Rasmussen (and others) who identify something like 30%+ of registered Democrats who answered "It's likely" to the statement "How likely is it that cheating by corrupt public officials prevented Trump from winning the Georgia election in 2020?" over the last few years (geez, it's already been almost 3 years since the 2020 election).

So, there are likely lots of people who voted for Biden who think the election was "stolen," i.e., that corruption/fraud/illegal ballots affected the outcome of the Presidential election in 2020.

I voted Biden, and while I don’t think the election was necessarily stolen, I do think the methods used in 2020 in particular make it insecure and therefore making fraud almost impossible to detect. And no democracy can survive if you have a method of voting where you cannot be sure that the results are real. I’m not going to pretend that the problem doesn’t exist.

A method that doesn’t allow for cross checking and auditing is simply not one that the public can trust completely.

Statistically, that person is present among every noticeably large gathering of minorities.

Actual neo-nazis probably fit the bill weirdly enough. Like that one guy recently interviewed that fought for Azov and voted Biden to support Ukraine.

Come to think of it, a lot of hardcore Marxists probably qualify as well.

I voted for Biden, but it was a close decision and one I now regret (even though I live in a state where my vote wouldn't have made a difference). I think it's more likely than not that the election wasn't stolen, but I'm not willing to dismiss the possibility out of hand, especially because Democrats consistently oppose efforts to make elections more secure, such as requiring ID or forbidding others from mailing in your mail-in ballot.