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ymeskhout  7mo ago (text post)   2428 thread views

The Bailey Podcast E034: An Unhinged Conversation on Policing

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In this episode, an authoritarian and some anarchist(s) have an unhinged conversation about policing.

Participants: Yassine, Kulak, & Hoffmeister25 [Note: the latter's voice has been modified to protect him from the progressive nanny state's enforcement agents.]

Links:

About the Daniel Penny Situation (Hoffmeister25)

Posse comitatus (Wikipedia)

Lifetime Likelihood of Going to State or Federal Prison (BJS 1997)

The Iron Rule (Anarchonomicon)

Eleven Magic Words (Yassine Meskhout)

Blackstone's ratio (Wikipedia)

Halfway To Prison Abolition (Yassine Meskhout)

Defunding My Mistake (Yassine Meskhout)

Recorded 2023-09-16 | Uploaded 2023-09-25

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The problem isn't any of the individual drugs, which you look at some of the drugs that used to be amphetamines were used by the German high command. It isn't the drugs themselves are causing these massive decays of public spaces. It's this bottom 1% of lowest impulse control, lowest degree ability, lowest functionality human beings.

I'm sadly in favor of drug legalization as the lesser of two evils, but was this really the best example @Hoffmeister25 could to come up with? Poor-impulse-control drug users haven't brought nearly as much damage upon San Franciscans as poor-impulse-control Nazis brought upon Germans.

Despite hardly being a fan of junkie street-shitters, I wouldn't be surprised if drug-use among normally high-functioning individuals is a higher net-negative problem. SBF & co is another example in which "drug use made them increasingly unhinged & risk-prone" is a fair explanation of how they managed to paint themselves into a corner so badly.

Heh; I was thinking of SBF specifically too, but I didn't feel like I understand amphetamine side effects well enough to make the connection precise with any confidence. Wildly hypothesizing, though, there is a strong vibe of "gaining INT points by trading away WIS" that would explain why the drugs' users suddenly feel super cunning when coming up with ideas like "we can make even more profit from trading in a volatile market if we swipe a bunch of bank customers' money temporarily" or "we can conquer even more territory if we start a second front against an ally". On top of the gross and grosser immorality, I wonder if something along the lines of "I'm so tactically skilled I don't need any strategic caution" was actually an explicit rationalization in both cases.

Are you misattributing this quote to me? This was something Kulak said, not me.

My apologies! I was reading through the transcript in between working on something else, but even so I'm not sure how I got that mixed up. I went back to the audio to make sure the voice-to-text hadn't flubbed a word but I didn't even think to make sure I hadn't flubbed the attribution.

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