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ymeskhout  7mo ago (text post)   2430 thread views

The Bailey Podcast E034: An Unhinged Conversation on Policing

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In this episode, an authoritarian and some anarchist(s) have an unhinged conversation about policing.

Participants: Yassine, Kulak, & Hoffmeister25 [Note: the latter's voice has been modified to protect him from the progressive nanny state's enforcement agents.]

Links:

About the Daniel Penny Situation (Hoffmeister25)

Posse comitatus (Wikipedia)

Lifetime Likelihood of Going to State or Federal Prison (BJS 1997)

The Iron Rule (Anarchonomicon)

Eleven Magic Words (Yassine Meskhout)

Blackstone's ratio (Wikipedia)

Halfway To Prison Abolition (Yassine Meskhout)

Defunding My Mistake (Yassine Meskhout)

Recorded 2023-09-16 | Uploaded 2023-09-25

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Disagree with Kulak's position. crime would surge under his style of policing, especially organized crime. Criminals fear govt. enforcement far more than private enforcement and is a better deterrent. Governments have unlimited resources, including to detain criminals for a long time or forever, whereas bounty hunters and other private citizens are much more limited. Even if property owners have full discretion to use guns to defend themselves, criminals would still prefer this over more aggressive public policing. An armed citizen is not going to go to the end of the earth to capture a habitual criminal, but a government agency like the FBI which has unlimited resources will. Militias would not work agaisnt crimes in which the criminal goes after distant targets.

Individuals would still have discretion to use firepower against criminals so i am not disagreeing with you there.

Could you please send me some of these super-determined LEOs with unlimited resources?

i mean FBI for larger scale crime. I thought that was obvious in my post. Let's assume a dozen criminals band together and buy firearms and target a single residence or business at a time, and then do this systematically. That is what happened in the early 1900s. Homeowners and business owners have jobs and families to deal with. they don't have the time, resources, or inclination to fight organized crimes.

How much of this actually happens? Criminals are actually quite vulnerable most of the time, if law abiding citizens have open season on them. There is the argument that if every offense is a capitol offense, criminals will just go right to murder, but non-criminals will almost always have more resources (whence the ability to establish police departments in the first place). There is a fairly serious underestimating, by the average person, how extensive secret service protocols are, for example.

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