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In the wake of the House of Representatives passing a Continuing Resolution maintaining current funding levels a group of Republicans, led by Matt Gaetz (R-FL), have filed a motion to vacate against Kevin McCarthy (R-CA). This is a motion that, if passed, would remove McCarthy as Chair of the House of Representatives after only nine months on the job. The reporting I'm seeing on Twitter says Democrats are united in supporting the motion, which means only three Republicans would need to join Gaetz for the motion to pass. I believe this would also be the first time in US history the House will have removed a Speaker with a motion to vacate.

What happens after that is anyone's guess. In a literal sense we move back to where we were this January and do another election for Speaker. Presumably Democrats are going to nominate and vote for Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) as they did then. It's not clear who on the Republican side would be a replacement for McCarthy. He still enjoys the support of a strong majority of Republicans, but the Republican majority is so small he needs basically everyone. His getting elected Speaker again would almost certainly need someone who voted to vacate to vote for him to Speaker. I'm skeptical there are promises McCarthy could make to the Republicans voting to oust him that could convince them to support him again. On the other hand I'm not aware of any consensus about who Republicans could be convinced to support except McCarthy. By far the funniest outcome, I think, would be the Republicans who voted to oust McCarthy abstaining in the Speaker vote, letting the Democrats elect Jeffries Speaker.

Vote on the motion is supposed to be held this morning though the House is currently debating other bills. You can watch the House Session on C-SPAN. Will update this post as the news develops.

ETA:

By a vote of 216-210-0 Kevin McCarthy becomes the first Speaker of the United States House of Representatives removed by a motion to vacate.

Vote breakdown by party (based on the vote on the motion to table, C-SPAN roll call doesn't break down by party):

AyesNaysNV
Republicans82103
Democrats20804

As expected McCarthy retains the support of the vast majority of his own Conference. I think the rule is the House can't do business without a Speaker so I imagine we go directly into elections for Speaker of the House now. Given the multiple days it took to elect McCarthy before I am not confident about any particular path forward from here.

ETA2:

Am hearing online that the Speaker pro tempore (selected by McCarthy when he became Speaker) may be able to function as Speaker indefinitely. They may not have to have an election for Speaker on any particular time table.

Wait, so how’d McCarthy manage to cock up the support of his own team?

I wasn’t really clear on why choosing a speaker was so hard in the first place, to be honest.

I wasn’t really clear on why choosing a speaker was so hard in the first place, to be honest.

Because the Republican majority is thin, and contains both people who are almost Democrats, full on Tea Partiers, and Full on MAGAs. Given his tiny majority and discordant caucus McCarthy has been possibly the most effective speaker of the last 25 years, adjusting for degree of difficulty. This is Gaetz taking home the ball because he only won 11-10 instead of 11-0 and saying he was fouled every play.

  • Nancy Pelosi
  • Paul Ryan
  • John Boehner
  • Dennis Hastert
  • Newt Gingrich

I'm struggling to find a single person who was less effective than McCarthy. The people above created and continued the dictator speaker era. In order to win the speakership, McCarthy conceded the speaker dictator era (perhaps ending it going forward) by making promises he didn't intend on keeping, strung his caucus along for 7 months as he avoided keeping those promises, and then lost his speakership the first time he tried to use his power to lean on his caucus.

I'm struggling to figure out how anyone has a positive view of Kevin McCarthy other than as the Ticketmaster of politics whereby your forgettable GOP congressmen can have McCarthy take the heat for unpopular programs instead of forcing an indiv vote which could be embarrassing for them, e.g., on Ukraine war funding.

McCarthy and the rest of GOP leadership made a clear decision during the last election cycle that they wanted a slight majority or minority which they could control which included them specifically and purposefully gimping their own party candidates across the country. GOP leadership got what they want except ~10-20 GOP Congressmen who made it through the gimp process weren't willing to go along with it. Giving McCarthy a pass for a situation he helped create is silly and even if he didn't help create it, he was a laughably ineffective speaker who lasted 7 months and lost as soon as he leaned on his speakership to bludgeon the people he lied to to support him.

His last dumb political move was thinking Democrats were going to save him because he kowtowed to their spending wants to avoid shutdown, hitting the cooperate button as Democrats continue to slam defect, which is a fitting microcosm of his entire political career.

None of those people could have become speaker at all given McCarthy's tiny majority and rebellious faction within it. Just for starters, no Democrat leader has ever faced real opposition intra-party in my lifetime. Second, Boehner and Ryan didn't get much done, even with larger majorities and more favorable overall situations. McCarthy was basically a head football coach at Syracuse going 8-4/7-5, which is amazing.

I also disagree with your idea of what GOP leadership wanted. This "gimping" was done by Trump and the DNC, not anyone McCarthy aligned. First. McCarthy wasn't a shoo in for the speakership. He was a front runner, for sure, but would never have liked such a small majority. The majority is small, basically against his wishes, because a lot of Trump/Gaetz-aligned candidates lost. It is best to think of what just happened in a non-US context. What happened was that there were 3 parties: 1) The Democrat Party; 2 The Republican Party; 3) The Gaetz Party. The Gaetz party chose, in this leadership election, to be team Democrat.

Sure, I agree that McCarthy probably should have anticipated the backstab by Democrats, but that doesn't make it not a backstab. He probably was getting backstabbed by someone this time around no matter what. Either it was Gaetzers or the Romney/Cheneys he was gonna get backstabbed. Such is the problem of running a coalition party without full media hegemony.

every speaker for a very long time has dealt with "rebellious factions" within their caucus, from tea partiers to new dems

Nancy Pelosi had the votes for speaker in 2019 without 10 Democrat members, so the claim she wouldn't have managed it in a similar situation to McCarthy falls flat, and it would have required fewer concessions to boot with easy examples to support that claim being later legislative fights where she got people who allegedly opposed her or her agenda to embarrass themselves with individual "present" votes because she wanted them to.

Just for starters, no Democrat leader has ever faced real opposition intra-party in my lifetime

real opposition defined by what? the fact that the speaker wasn't vacated? this is a chicken-egg problem where I will claim they didn't face "rea" opposition because they were effective and you will claim there wasn't a "real opposition" to begin with

McCarthy was basically a head football coach at Syracuse going 8-4/7-5, which is amazing.

what did McCarthy accomplish? what are his 8 wins and 4 losses? I would bet most of these "wins" you can think of weren't Kevin but the part of the caucus you claim is on "team democrat" holding his feet to the fire to deliver from committees, to subpoenas, to indiv personal appointments, to some individual bills, and more

he stuck around promising individual Congressmen more aggressive investigations, subpoenas, individual bills brought to the floor, and more, and he never delivered or only delivered crumbs, and as the anger and opposition mounted he attempted a crunch-down media blitz with aligned media mouthpieces and that failed

he became speaker by making promises he didn't intend to keep, lying to a bunch of people, stuck around for 7 months stringing them along, and it all came crashing down as he attempted to force his caucus into a CR which failed (something he promised he wouldn't do) so he teamed up with Democrats to pass a CR (something he promised he wouldn't do) over objections of his own caucus

and then he relied on Democrats to save him from pissed off members of his own caucus

and you think this makes McCarthy the most effective speaker of the last 25 years (difficulty adjusted)? this isn't supportable

worse, your attempted portrayal of this is Gaetz sided with team Democrat? this isn't supportable

This "gimping" was done by Trump and the DNC, not anyone McCarthy aligned.

The majority is small, basically against his wishes, because a lot of Trump/Gaetz-aligned candidates lost

I agree McCarthy likely didn't want a majority which was this slim, but it's the result of his and the Party's behavior:

  1. Party funds primary opposition to Trump/Gaetz-aligned candidate
  2. Party candidate sends out mailers calling Trump/Gaetz-aligned candidate nazis
  3. Party candidate loses, but Trump/Gaetz-aligned candidate spends all his money
  4. Party refuses to give any money to Trump/Gaetz-aligned candidate while threatening donors if they give any money
  5. Trump/Gaetz-aligned candidate loses

lots of candidates lost, it wasn't something which was limited to "Trump/Gaetz-alligned" candidates; candidates without trump endorsements but Party endorsements did worse

or are you trying to claim McCarthy isn't a part of this Party leadership who made these calls? McCarthy controls the money because he's the one who raised it and uses that money to control the Party in the House

unfortunately, I suspect out beliefs about basic facts of what has happened over the last few years in this area may be too different to have a productive dialogue without quite a bit of effort on both our parts

real opposition defined by what? the fact that the speaker wasn't vacated?

There has not been a 8 vote defection by democrats on any important vote in the house in a decade at least.

worse, your attempted portrayal of this is Gaetz sided with team Democrat? this isn't supportable

They voted together on one of the most important questions of the 2 year term.

yeah, that's the point

you claim this is because there is no real opposition, I claim because the speaker was more effective

there is no articulated substance to your opinion about McCarthy or even a single note of any of his accomplishments, so there really isn't a dialogue to have there

You really think Pelosi is more effective as opposed to McCarthy being less because???

Boehner and Ryan were also mysteriously less effective than their contemporaries. Its almost like there is a pattern. Perhaps its just Pelosi is the GOAT. I think its much more likely that Democrats are easier to govern.

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